lmnop comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 2 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: lmnop 26 August 2010 09:57:56PM *  1 point [-]

"I bet he hasn't had the Anglo/muggle training about not hurting girls"

I agree. The "don't hurt females" meme and the idea of chivalry arise from the fact that men are physically stronger than women. But in the magical world, physical strength hardly matters in comparison to magical ability, which seems to be evenly distributed between the sexes. A witch would feel angry, or perhaps just confused, at being treated like porcelain. Granted, Hermione and Harry come from the muggle world, but Draco doesn't, and he shouldn't behave like he does.

Comment author: DanArmak 28 August 2010 09:24:40PM *  1 point [-]

The "don't hurt females" meme and the idea of chivalry arise from the fact that men are physically stronger than women.

Didn't it arise, at least partially, because power and legal rights belonged to men (by decree of Heaven) and therefore it was seen as the duty of men to protect women, as an item under the general heading of protecting the weak?

What did chivalry (ed: fixed) look like in cultures other than Medieval Europe?

Comment author: TobyBartels 29 August 2010 01:09:54AM *  2 points [-]

What did charity look like in cultures other than Medieval Europe?

You mean chivalry? Wikipedia says that the European Christians actually got it from Muslims, whose version was more extreme. This probably includes the doctrine of courtly love), which is the source of chivalrous ideals on the treatment of women.

In contrast, one website says the ideal wife of a Japanese samurai would also be a strong person, so perhaps bushido took the opposite attitude. (Internet searches on this turn up too much modern stuff for me to get any good idea.)

Comment author: DanArmak 29 August 2010 10:15:06AM 0 points [-]

You mean chivalry?

Yes, my typo; fixed.