RichardKennaway comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 2 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: LucasSloan 28 August 2010 05:35:05AM *  17 points [-]

Is it the author's opinion that the creation of house elves was a terribly evil deed? It would seem that to think that after their creation, they would want to do what they have been designed to do and so would be no more evil than creating an intelligence which would want to bowl and fish all day. Even if we accept that creating conscious entities which are forced by means of their preferences to do menial work is wrong, it would seem to be better to create them, than to force those who don't enjoy such work to do it. Is Harry just confused by his intuitions about the evil of slavery, without sufficient reflection?

ETA: While this argument works in the abstract and is useful for countering human biases against "slavery" and applies in the particular for the creation of Gammas, Deltas and Epsilons, house elves have addition features I wasn't considering which makes their creation morally evil.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 28 August 2010 07:25:10PM 3 points [-]

Is it wrong to make a pig that wants to be eaten?

Comment author: LucasSloan 28 August 2010 08:08:55PM 2 points [-]

I'm not sure, but I wouldn't make one and would work to prevent one's creation. On the one hand, death is an intrinsic evil, unlike mere drudgery. On the other hand, I support the right to self terminate.

Comment author: Pavitra 28 August 2010 09:16:13PM 3 points [-]

death is an intrinsic evil

Have you ever closed an application on your computer? What distinguishes a person from any other computation, and why does that particular distinction carry so much moral weight?

Comment author: LucasSloan 29 August 2010 12:27:26AM 4 points [-]

What distinguishes a person from any other computation

A person is reflectively self aware.

and why does that particular distinction carry so much moral weight?

Evolution built me to care about humans, and upon reflection, the values I have include non-humans who have features like being reflectively self aware.

Comment author: Pavitra 29 August 2010 12:39:26AM 2 points [-]

Is that what you would want to want, given the option, or is that a lizard-brain instinct that gets in the way of your ability to evaluate what's really the right thing to do?

Comment author: LucasSloan 29 August 2010 05:31:43AM -1 points [-]

upon reflection

Comment author: Pavitra 29 August 2010 06:13:45AM 0 points [-]

I can still interpret that either way. Do you mean that on reflection you realize that you emotionally desire that, or that on reflection you *decide" that that's what's important?

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 29 August 2010 06:36:54AM 1 point [-]

There's also Hayekian arguments-- self-aware agents are apt to accumulate information about their own desires and activities. Systems which allow that information to have an effect seem to be more capable.