thomblake comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 2 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: thomblake 29 August 2010 01:38:13AM 2 points [-]

Chapter 42

Is it really Black/Pettigrew? Because I'm not sure in what sense that would be 'completely wrong'. But maybe I've just been hanging out with too many yaoi fangirls.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 29 August 2010 03:31:57AM 5 points [-]

I told someone in advance; in particular, I told them there would be a completely wrong ship, they guessed Fred/George, I told them "not wrong enough", and then said "Sirius and Pettigrew". They said, "OH, THAT'S JUST WRONG". So I figured that, yes, that was justifiably describable as "completely wrong". Also, the fact that I googled obvious spellings of the ship and found that it only seemed to have been done once or twice (I forgot the exact number), in a fandom that has a convention for using "Snumbledore" to indicate Snape+Lupin+Dumbledore, seemed to suggest that it was pretty damned wrong.

Comment author: LucasSloan 29 August 2010 05:27:04AM *  3 points [-]

he said, "OH, THAT'S JUST WRONG".

That was me. I still agree with my earlier comment, but I must say that you carried it off in the story in a remarkably natural way. It seemed to just come out as a perfectly natural fact about the universe, not something awful as it is when informed by canon, fan fic, and the horrible depiction of Pettigrew in the films.

Comment author: JoshuaZ 30 August 2010 12:40:36AM 2 points [-]

Really? I'm surprised that that ship is that rare. It always struck me as one of the more plausible ones. This seems to reflect a general pattern that whatever makes ships common is not very correlated with their plausibility.

Comment author: Alicorn 30 August 2010 12:50:26AM *  3 points [-]

This seems to reflect a general pattern that whatever makes ships common is not very correlated with their plausibility.

Yes, this seems very consistent, except for canon ships, ships of minor characters, and MY favorite non-canon ship, which is popular and plausible :P

Comment author: JoshuaZ 30 August 2010 01:00:22AM 0 points [-]

Which non-canon ship is that?

Comment author: Alicorn 30 August 2010 01:18:46AM 3 points [-]

I was being (mostly) facetious, but Sirius/Remus.

Comment author: Pavitra 30 August 2010 02:53:03AM 1 point [-]

I approve of this ship.

Are you a Shoebox fan?

Comment author: Alicorn 30 August 2010 03:19:50AM 2 points [-]

Hell yes I am a Shoebox fan.

Comment author: Cyan 30 August 2010 05:47:33AM 4 points [-]

What does Shoebox mean in this context? (This is one of the few cases where I think I've got a good excuse for asking instead of Googling.)

Comment author: wedrifid 30 August 2010 06:18:14AM 6 points [-]

It refers to a particularly popular Potterverse fanfic. (See wikipedia on Harry Potter Fandom). Set in the marauder years which itself refers to about 1970 when Harry's parents would have been in school.

It's rather hard to track down online but here is a PDF adaptation.

Comment author: wedrifid 30 August 2010 06:09:15AM 1 point [-]

Really? I'm surprised that that ship is that rare. It always struck me as one of the more plausible ones.

It does. None of the four possible combinations of Pettigrew, Black and Lupin seems remotely unlikely. The fact that in the Sirrius-Pettigrew case one of them killed the other doesn't particularly reduce the plausibility either (in the real world or in fiction!)

Comment author: Document 26 January 2011 06:27:35AM 0 points [-]

one of them killed the other

I assume you mean in MoR rather than canon?

Comment author: wedrifid 26 January 2011 11:25:27AM 0 points [-]

No. Reconstructing from what I wrote way back then I seem to be referring to the fact that it is not unusual for lovers of any kind to kill each other.

Comment author: gwern 26 January 2011 03:34:31PM 4 points [-]

"If we judge love by the majority of its results, it resembles hatred more than friendship."

--François de La Rochefoucauld, Maximes 72

Comment author: TobyBartels 30 August 2010 12:30:45AM 1 point [-]

Congratulations on a completely wrong ship done completely right.