JoshuaZ comments on AI cooperation in practice - Less Wrong

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Comment author: JoshuaZ 31 July 2010 05:14:15PM 0 points [-]

Regarding Tarski's theorem - you seem to be misinterpreting me. I am not saying that checking a proof with respect to an axiom system is necessarily difficult. I am saying that truth is not contained by any finite axiom system. So, there will be true statements that are unprovable within the system - but can still be proven in a larger system. Some of those unprovable truths will be of the form that I mentioned.

If that's what you mean, then you seem to be even more confused than I realized. If you are just talking about the original context then the set of proofs that are below some fixed length cannot be a statement that is true and unproveable. The proof itself self-verifies. If the statement in question is true, there must exist a proof of the statement that is of the desired bounded size. This follows from consistency and the fact that there are only a finite collection of such proofs.