RobinZ comments on Open Thread, August 2010 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: arundelo 02 August 2010 02:55:02PM 3 points [-]

how much technology requires bootstrapping (metallurgy is a great example of this)

I would love to see a reality TV show about a metallurgy expert making a knife or other metal tool from scratch. The expert would be provided food and shelter but would have no equipment or materials for making metal, and so would have to find and dig up the ore themselves, build their own oven, and whatever else you would have to do to make metal if you were transported to the stone age.

Comment author: RobinZ 02 August 2010 05:42:12PM 2 points [-]

One problem you would face with such a show is if the easily-available ore is gone.

Comment author: JoshuaZ 03 August 2010 12:51:33AM *  1 point [-]

Yes, this is in fact connected to a general problem that Nick Bostrom has pointed out, each time you try to go back from stone age tech to modern tech you use resources up that you won't have the next time. However, for purposes of actually getting back to high levels of technology rather than having a fun reality show, we've got a few advantages. One can use the remaining metal that is in all the left over objects from modern civilization (cars being one common easy source of a number of metals). Some metals are actually very difficult to extract from ore (aluminum is the primary example of this. Until the technologies for extraction were developed, it was expensive and had almost no uses) whereas the ruins of civilization will have those metals in near pure forms if one knows where to look.

Comment author: ABranco 05 August 2010 04:07:00AM *  1 point [-]

The argument that no one person in the face of Earth knows how to build a mouse from scratch is plausible.

Matt Ridley