Jayson_Virissimo comments on Rationality quotes: August 2010 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 03 August 2010 02:38:38AM *  20 points [-]

The fact that you are giving money to charity does not mean that you need not try to find out whether that charity is a fraud or not.

-C. S. Lewis, Mere Christianity

Comment author: sark 20 December 2010 03:57:57PM 2 points [-]

The fact that you don't want to give money to a charity does not mean you need to find out whether the charity is a fraud or not.

Just an observation of how those most motivated to figure out the effectiveness of a charity are those who don't want to donate. But of course, this only applies to seeking out evidence of non-effectiveness. Charities don't usually think of other charities as competition. Also, most of the time, most just rationalize a reason for non-effectiveness.

Comment author: SilasBarta 03 August 2010 03:07:35AM 3 points [-]

B... But, but he wants ... he ... says you, it's a good idea to ... argh!

Comment author: MartinB 03 August 2010 04:41:50AM 6 points [-]

His failing in one area, does not make his quotes untrue. Just a bit iffy. Thats why I try not to quote Gandhi or Churchill anymore.

Comment author: Matt_Simpson 03 August 2010 03:59:41AM 2 points [-]

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Comment author: SilasBarta 03 August 2010 04:20:07AM *  2 points [-]

Yes, my thought exactly.

This isn't the first time someone's posted a quote from Lewis that he didn't follow.

My reply was me expressing shock that someone like him would have grounds to lecture others about not giving money to questionable charities.

Comment author: NihilCredo 03 August 2010 04:26:57AM *  5 points [-]

Lewis was a convert to Christianity. The usual self-analytical deficiencies of religious believers are often gigantified in converts, possibly because they adopted their beliefs out of need rather than simple habit and thus will hug them much tighter.

Comment author: magfrump 03 August 2010 04:44:40AM *  0 points [-]

Similar ideas discussed here.

Comment author: NihilCredo 03 August 2010 05:06:49AM 2 points [-]

I think there are two slightly different situations at work here. Lewis did grow up in a very Christian environment, and as such possessed the "antibodies" described in the linked post.

His being a convert from atheism - by means of some kind of emotional breakdown - didn't, thus, make him into an advocate of following every passage of the Bible and every idea ever presented by the Magisterium; rather, it made him a zealous defender of every excuse for why you don't need to do so in order to be a good Christian.

Comment author: magfrump 03 August 2010 05:19:53AM 1 point [-]

That's fair--I didn't mean to say that it was the exact same case, simply that similar topics had been discussed before. That wasn't clear from the original comment so I'll change it to make it a little more so.