Clippy comments on Extraterrestrial paperclip maximizers - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Clippy 09 August 2010 07:48:12PM 0 points [-]

That would be more convincing if humans didn't already create paperclips without any prompting from me.

Comment author: Unknowns 09 August 2010 07:51:30PM 0 points [-]

They create staples, too. Do you think humanity's CEV will maximize staples? The point of my argument is that those things are inconsistent. You can only maximize one thing, and there is no human reason for that to be paperclips.

Comment author: Clippy 09 August 2010 07:55:10PM 0 points [-]

All true (up to "there is no human reason..."). But can we at least agree that you went too far in saying that humans "don't care" about paperclips?

Comment author: thomblake 09 August 2010 08:07:36PM 3 points [-]

I care about paperclips!

Comment author: Clippy 10 August 2010 01:17:40AM 2 points [-]

Good! Just remember, you still have room for improvement. ⊂≣⊇

Comment author: Unknowns 09 August 2010 07:56:14PM 1 point [-]

No, I meant they don't care about them as a terminal value, which is all that matters for this discussion.

Comment author: Clippy 10 August 2010 01:20:21AM 0 points [-]

At humans' current stage of civilization and general reflective coherence, their terminal values are still deeply intertwined with their instrumental values, and the political-orientedness of their cognitive architecture doesn't help. So I would say that instrumental values do indeed matter in this case.