The post in question was a plea to look at and follow the neuroscience of decision making. That was the point. Don't worry about the straw men - just follow the science. I am actually not that interested in freewill and want to get past that to something interesting. When I carefully define how I am using a word (like freewill or like consciousness in the last post) I don't expect to be told that I cannot use the word that way. I was taken back by the reaction, that is all. Here are a bunch of reasonable, rational, intelligent people that I should be able to converse with and they appear to avoid being sensible about neuroscience. Too bad - I can still gain from following the discussions but I cannot give anything to the group except the odd comment, now and then. Don't worry about the up vote - I can avoid ever using it.