CuSithBell comments on Two straw men fighting - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Peterdjones 22 April 2011 01:14:12PM 0 points [-]

There are two false assumptions in the above: 1) that the universe runs on physical laws does not mean it necessarily runs on deterministic laws.

2) Following from that, since laws are not necessarily deterministic, libertarian free will, does not necessarily involve overriding them. Libertarian free will could be found within an indeterministic (but otherwise throughly physical and material) universe.

Comment author: CuSithBell 22 April 2011 02:02:02PM 3 points [-]

My understanding is that the standard dilemma for libertarian free will is that your decisions seem to have to ground out in randomness or determinism, so I don't think indeterministic laws save the concept.

Comment author: Peterdjones 22 April 2011 02:35:29PM 0 points [-]

That is the standard objection and I (unusually) think it can be resisted. To say the least, if you are going to claim to have "the" answer", you have to thoroughly consider all the alternatives.

Comment author: CuSithBell 22 April 2011 03:23:06PM 2 points [-]

I'd think that, given that's the standard objection, and it includes the case of indeterminism, you'd want to say more than just that indeterminism saves libertarian free will.

More to the point - would you mind giving a definition of what it is that you mean by 'libertarian free will'? I've never heard it coherently stated.

Comment author: Peterdjones 22 April 2011 03:34:25PM -1 points [-]

"Free Will is defined as "the power or ability to rationally choose and consciously perform actions, at least some of which are not brought about necessarily and inevitably by external circumstances".

Comment author: CuSithBell 22 April 2011 05:01:16PM 2 points [-]

Oh. Well, that's fine then. I usually think of libertarian free will as including internal circumstances as well.