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Comment author: cousin_it 14 August 2010 01:54:22PM 0 points [-]

Don't know about you, but I anticipate acausal control, to a degree. I have a draft post titled "Taking UDT Seriously" featuring such shining examples as: if a bully attacks you, you should try to do maximum damage while disregarding any harm to yourself, because it's good for you to be predicted as such a person. UDT is seriously scary when applied to daily life, even without superintelligences.

Comment author: xamdam 07 November 2010 04:17:21PM 1 point [-]

Taking UDT Seriously

Can you post this in the discussion area?

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 14 August 2010 01:57:55PM *  0 points [-]

You seem to be mixing up ambient control within a single possible world with assignment of probability measure to the set of possible worlds (which anticipation is all about). You control the bully by being expected (credibly threatening) to retaliate within a single possible world. Acausal control is about controlling one possible world from another, while ambient (logical) control is about deciding the way your possible world will turn out (what you discussed in the recent posts).

More generally, logical control can be used to determine an arbitrary concept, including that of utility of all possible worlds considered together, or of all mathematical structures. Acausal control is just a specific way in which logical control can happen.

Comment author: cousin_it 14 August 2010 02:32:37PM *  1 point [-]

Yep. I can't seem to memorize the correct use of our new terminology (acausal/ambient/logical/etc), so I just use "acausal" as an informal umbrella term for all kinds of winning behavior that don't seem to be recommended by CDT from the agent's narrow point of view. Like one-boxing in Newcomb's Problem, or being ready to fight in order to release yet-undiscovered pheromones or something.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 14 August 2010 02:41:08PM 0 points [-]

"Correct" is too strong a descriptor, it's mostly just me pushing standardization of terminology, based on how it seems to have been used in the past.