cousin_it comments on Is it rational to be religious? Simulations are required for answer. - Less Wrong

-13 Post author: Aleksei_Riikonen 11 August 2010 03:20PM

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Comment author: cousin_it 11 August 2010 05:19:53PM *  5 points [-]

I'm gonna pull a Nesov on this one and say that belief in a time-continuous self can be thought of as a value/preference rather than belief. You care about your individual organism because evolution made you care about it, not because it is physically real (whatever that means).

Of course, similar reasoning can be used to show that observed particle physics is a Darwinian construct :-) Last I talked with Nesov about it, this was a big puzzle. Any news?

Comment author: nawitus 11 August 2010 05:39:23PM 0 points [-]

The lack of belief in a time-continuos self would give the same moral value to yourself as to other people, but wouldn't eliminate caring about yourself altogether.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 11 August 2010 06:22:56PM *  1 point [-]

Wrong. To see the error, try applying the argument to structures other than people.

Comment author: nawitus 11 August 2010 09:55:06PM 1 point [-]

Care to give an example then?

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 12 August 2010 08:23:35AM -1 points [-]

Example of what? You didn't give your argument, only conclusion. I only guessed that this argument, whatever it is, will more visibly crumble in the case I suggested.

Comment author: nawitus 12 August 2010 02:15:47PM -1 points [-]

Eh. If you don't know the argument it's irrational to call it wrong. I didn't really argue anything, I just made an observation for those people who possibly believe that time-continuos self is required for morality.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 12 August 2010 04:26:24PM 0 points [-]

If you don't know the argument it's irrational to call it wrong.

Your conclusion is wrong, therefore the argument must be wrong as well.

Comment author: nawitus 12 August 2010 06:21:28PM -1 points [-]

And you don't provide any arguments for your claim either..

Okay, here's one: Even with time-continuos self, humans value other people, even though they personally experience anything other peope do. There's some (moral) value in other persons. Maybe people value themselves more, but that's not even relevant to the argument. So, if time-continuos self doesn't exist, people will value their future selfs as much as any other persons, which is atleast more than nothing.

Of course, this assumes that such a person does value other people. May not apply to every single person.