PhilGoetz comments on Closet survey #1 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: PhilGoetz 14 March 2009 10:44:56PM 28 points [-]

Killing people, and locking them in prison for 20 years, are both worse than torturing them.

Killing enemy soldiers is not much better than killing enemy civilians.

It is immoral not to put a dollar value on life.

The rate of technological change has been slowing since 1970.

It can't be true that both universal higher education and immigration are social goods, since it is cheaper to just not educate some percentage your own people.

Increasing the population density makes the cost of land rise; and this is a major factor in the cost and quality of life.

Men and women think differently.

Ditto that modern Western women hold very wrong beliefs about what will make them happy.

War is not good for your economy (unless you aren't fighting in it).

Comment author: SaidAchmiz 15 October 2011 11:06:39PM 4 points [-]

It can't be true that both universal higher education and immigration are social goods, since it is cheaper to just not educate some percentage your own people.

This comment perplexed me until I realized you were assuming that the average education level of immigrants is lower than that of "natives" (that is, the pre-existing population of the country). But that need not be the case. To borrow from personal experience — many immigrants from the former Soviet Union are quite a bit more educated than the national average in the U.S. Surely immigrants who bring an above-average education with them are good for the society (assuming that they intend to become productive members of society)? Doesn't it follow that both of the things you mention can, in fact, be true, conditional on certain contingent properties of immigration?*

*And of higher education, presumably. I mean, we could say "higher education can't be a social good if we do it wrong in ways X, Y, Z", to which the obvious response is "we shouldn't do it like that, then."

Comment author: MichaelGR 15 March 2009 05:48:59PM 8 points [-]

"War is not good for your economy (unless you aren't fighting in it)."

That's pretty well accepted in some economics circles. See the broken window fallacy by Frédéric Bastiat.

Comment author: [deleted] 11 January 2014 01:00:11AM 0 points [-]

With notable, perhaps exceptional counter-points (see: the U.S. and WW2).

Comment author: blacktrance 11 January 2014 01:16:48AM 0 points [-]

It can't be true that both universal higher education and immigration are social goods, since it is cheaper to just not educate some percentage your own people.

Perhaps this is nitpicking, but it's possible for both to be social goods, but one is more of a good than the other.