Sewing-Machine comments on Taking Ideas Seriously - Less Wrong

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Comment author: [deleted] 25 August 2010 03:08:50PM *  1 point [-]

people who already know both Popper and Jaynes

That can't actually be everyone here. And I hope no one is offended if I say that Scurfield seems to "know Popper" to a greater degree than any of the other participants in this thread. Why the scorn for the guy and the conversation?

Comment author: Perplexed 25 August 2010 03:27:45PM *  4 points [-]

He certainly knows Popper better than me. I scorn the conversation because it is not stimulating me - not causing me to consider ideas I have never considered before. I scorn the guy (scorn may be a bit too strong here, but just go with it) because so far he has mostly presented slogans, rather than arguments. (Admitedly, I haven't presented arguments either, but that is because his slogans strike me as either truisms or word games.)

The only thing I gained from this encounter was the link to the Critical Rationalism web site, where can be found links to writings by Popper and others. The CR site itself is, ..., well, not great. For example, check out the "What is CR?" page where CR is contrasted with two other possible approaches to philosophy. Please actually check it out before continuing.

Now weren't those subtle strawmen? :)

Comment author: Perplexed 25 August 2010 03:43:39PM 6 points [-]

so far he has mostly presented slogans, rather than arguments.

It occurs to me that one thing he could do which would be both interesting and useful would be to go through the sequences, adding comments critiquing Eliezer's epistemology lessons from the viewpoint of Popper and/or CR. Who knows? I might frequently find myself agreeing with him.

Comment author: thomblake 25 August 2010 03:47:08PM 3 points [-]

Indeed, that's why I am in favor of voting on old comments. Ideally, people can continue to leave criticisms on the sequences, and good ones will rise to the top over time.

Comment author: thomblake 25 August 2010 03:42:22PM 2 points [-]

because so far he has mostly presented slogans, rather than arguments.

Yes, I asked for clarification of the slogans and got more slogans, and asked for arguments supporting the claims and was given the claims again. I decided at that point to disengage.

Now weren't those subtle strawmen? :)

Indeed - I hadn't bothered to check out the site, but it seems to me that most of the discipline of Philosophy falls outside "CR"'s "three major schools", and they're pretending Popper invented philosophy. It's really quite terrible.

Comment author: [deleted] 25 August 2010 05:11:48PM 0 points [-]

If I may use another "slogan": communication is difficult. And another: misunderstandings are common. When you asked for clarification I wasn't sure what you wanted. I guessed and looks like I got it wrong. So you just withdraw? That's very Un-Popperian.

and they're pretending Popper invented philosophy

Really? Care to give a quote?

Comment author: Perplexed 26 August 2010 02:19:10AM 2 points [-]

and they're pretending Popper invented philosophy

Really? Care to give a quote?

It is a reasonable interpretation of the "three major schools" analysis down near the bottom of the "What is CR" page at the "Critical Rationalism" website. See if you can talk someone into cleaning up that bit of enthusiasm. As they say "It's not helping".

Comment author: [deleted] 25 August 2010 03:57:52PM 1 point [-]

not stimulating me - not causing me to consider ideas I have never considered before

That's a really high standard.

Comment author: Perplexed 25 August 2010 05:56:22PM 1 point [-]

Hmmm. I never thought of that.

Comment author: timtyler 25 August 2010 05:24:38PM 0 points [-]

If you go as far as:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CriticalRationalism/

...you may see some names you recognise.

Comment author: Perplexed 25 August 2010 05:53:44PM 1 point [-]

LOL. That made my day. Be sure to let me know if you run across TH anywhere.

Incidentally, have you looked in at sbe recently? Pretty sad.