Sewing-Machine comments on Taking Ideas Seriously - Less Wrong

51 Post author: Will_Newsome 13 August 2010 04:50PM

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Comment author: [deleted] 25 August 2010 11:38:01PM *  2 points [-]

As you pointed out earlier, we have two ostensibly different ways of investigating the theory that the Chinese discovered America in 1421: the Popperian way, in which this theory and alternatives to it are criticized. And the Bayesian way, in which those criticisms are broken down into atomic criticisms, and likelihood ratios are attached and multiplied.

I've seen plenty of rigorous Popperian discussions but not very many very rigorous -- or even modestly rigorous -- Bayesian discussions, even on this website. One piece of evidence for the China-discovered-America theory is some business about old Chinese maps. How does a Bayesian go about estimating the likelihood ratio P(China discovered America | old maps) / P(China discovered America | no old maps)?

Comment author: Perplexed 25 August 2010 11:58:22PM 2 points [-]

I think you want to ask about P(maps|discover) / P(no maps|discover). Unless both wikipedia and my intuition are wrong.

Does catching you in this error relieve me of the responsibility of answering the question? I hope so. Because I would want to instead argue using something like P(maps|discover) vs P(maps|not discover). That doesn't take you all the way to P(discover), but it does at least give you a way to assess the evidential weight of the map evidence.

Comment author: [deleted] 26 August 2010 12:28:17AM 0 points [-]

Now P(Sewing-Machine is a phony) = ?

Here's another personal example of Bayesianism in action. Do you have a sense of how much you updated by? P(Richard Dawkins praises Steven Pinker | EP is bunk)/ P(Richard Dawkins praises Steven Pinker | EP is not bunk) is .5? .999? Any idea?

Comment author: Perplexed 26 August 2010 12:57:56AM 1 point [-]

P("Sewing Machine" is a nym) = 1.0
P(Sewing Machine has been disingenuous) = 0.5 and rising
P(Dawkins praises Pinker|EP is not bunk) is ill defined because
P(EP is not bunk) = ~0
but I have updated P(Dawkins believes EP is not bunk) to at least 0.5

Comment author: [deleted] 26 August 2010 12:59:27AM 0 points [-]

I don't know what "disingenuous" means.