NancyLebovitz comments on Problems in evolutionary psychology - Less Wrong

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Comment author: NancyLebovitz 13 August 2010 07:24:12PM 5 points [-]

I think there are two more categories of not knowing enough: thinking that something is universal when one has limited samples of different human societies, and not knowing how an organism will respond to unusual circumstances, thus assuming that some behavior is more hard-wired than it actually is.

Comment author: Oligopsony 14 August 2010 06:26:24AM *  2 points [-]

The latter is a truly wicked problem: we can't find out how things operate under novel circumstances until those novel circumstances are realized. (When you have something like physics where the rules are so well-grounded, you can speculate more confidently than you can with something fuzzy like human society and nature.) It's no sin of a theory to not tell us these things for sure, unless it's rhetorically marshalled for that ("women won't become great scientists because on the savannah...") Although it could count as Bayesian evidence.

With things like sex and racial differences you can happily say (if your values swing that way) "okay, maybe it's that way and maybe it's not, but the best way to put egalitarianism to an empirical test is to realize as complete a social equality as possible and see what happens. Purely in the name of science, of course." What makes the problem really wicked is that some counterfactuals would be very undesirable to implement. We just have to hope it's knowledge we'll never get to obtain.

Comment author: Nisan 19 August 2010 03:50:05AM 2 points [-]

the best way to put egalitarianism to an empirical test is to realize as complete a social equality as possible and see what happens.

Indeed! And one can't even say "racial and sex discrimination is illegal in some countries, so we can assume that the remaining differences are biological", because stereotype threat is present in even the most liberal modern cultures.

I'm having a hard time imagining how a good social scientist a hundred years ago would go about measuring the effect of race and sex on, say, math skills, and not be surprised by the progress we've made nowadays.