Oligopsony comments on Problems in evolutionary psychology - Less Wrong

55 Post author: Kaj_Sotala 13 August 2010 06:57PM

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Comment author: knb 13 August 2010 11:16:04PM *  0 points [-]

Sorry for the multiple comments, but I have separate points to make, and I think this makes it easier to make them clear.

There are basically two kinds of ev-psych explanations: one proposing an evolutionary origin for a present-day trait (an explanation) and one proposing a previously unknown trait based on evolutionary considerations (a prediction).

I think this is confused. Ev. psych explanations also generally make predictions which (if empirically validated) provide evidence that the ev. Psych explanation is the correct one.

One example of this is the evolutionary explanation of suicide generated by Denys de Catanzaro. He generated ev. psych explanations that led to a much stronger understanding of what causes people to commit suicide and why so many more men than women kill themselves.

(Edited to fix spelling)

Comment author: Oligopsony 14 August 2010 05:35:42PM 4 points [-]

so many more men than women kill themselves.

This can be misleading. More women than men attempt suicide, but male deaths outstrip female due to method lethality - men are more likely to go out with a gun, women more likely to sign out with twin bottles of vodka and vikoden. This could be because more men Really Do Want To Kill Themselves For Real, as opposed to a cry for help, or it could just be that men are far more likely to own a gun and women more likely to have a painkiller addiction.

What is true is that, if diagnosed rates of depression are accurate, a depressed man is more likely to commit suicide than a depressed woman, because more women than men are diagnosed with depression. This might be due to differential rates of hormone production (I wouldn't be able to tell you what, and since any social factors leading to depression are going to end up using hormonal mechanisms as well, the cause of it would be difficult to ascertain), but whether or not that's there men are almost certainly underdiagnosed, since they're less likely to seek out help for mood disorders. It's a very thorny question.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 14 August 2010 07:36:52PM 4 points [-]

Other factors-- I've heard that women are apt to prefer poison over gunshot because of strong socialization to not leave a mess. I don't have substantiation for this, but it doesn't sound crazy.

I've also heard that depression manifests differently in men (more likely to appear as violence and/or alcoholism) and not get diagnosed.