adsenanim comments on Problems in evolutionary psychology - Less Wrong

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Comment author: adsenanim 16 August 2010 06:55:17AM *  0 points [-]

I'm being voted down, still without seeing any evidence for or against....

I know it's due to a popular vote, but does anyone have any argument, or are we just taking advantage of the voting mechanism?

I'm starting to feel like the availability of stating ones opinion is counteracting the way things actually work...

Comment author: prase 16 August 2010 08:32:48AM *  3 points [-]

I've downvoted. As for reasons, the comment is difficult to understand. At least you should tell what do you exactly mean by

X has more of a chance at having choice of genetics than Y

But the main reason for my downvote was

without doing the math completely (:(), it is fairly easy to predict...

If it is easy, then do it. It can make your point more comprehensible.

Comment author: adsenanim 16 August 2010 10:11:09AM 0 points [-]

prase,

Thanks.

Maybe I should have made clear that X can only reproduce with Y and Y only with X; the definition of sexual reproduction.

I think I should simplify it...

If X can reproduce 2 times in its life and Y can reproduce 100 times in its life the natural assumption would be that Y will reproduce more.

BUT

Remember that the population consists of equally half of each sex and that X will be in gestation for most of theirs.

This means that X will participate in reproduction only twice in their life time, for any given period. Considering that there are 50 total X in that amount of time, that is 100 possible gestations.

For Y there are 50 times 100 days of possible gestation total, or five thousand possible days of creating gestation.

Y has to choose among X and X has to choose among Y.

Does X or Y have more to chose from?

I hope this clarifies, I will continue if needed, again, thanks.

Comment author: prase 16 August 2010 12:38:18PM 0 points [-]

Thanks for clarification, upvoted.

So if I understand correctly: Let's assume a total population of 100, from which 50 X and 50 Y. At each day, there is one X available, so all Ys have to compete for that given X, while the one X in question can choose among 50 Ys. Seems consistent, and even true for some animals whose males carry sexual ornaments, while the females' look is rather mundane. However, in some species, like deers or wolves, males compete directly against each other and females don't seem to have much choice either.

Nevertheless, since you have written it, I suppose you have infered some interesting consequences...

Comment author: adsenanim 16 August 2010 05:58:27PM 0 points [-]

Yes, there is a very large and very interesting variety found in this process.

If we take the all of the variables into consideration, all of the possible ways X and Y can work:

We have (n1)X and (n2)Y for a population of ((n1)X + (n2)Y), the ratio of (n1)X to (n2)Y, the population can increase or decrease, a gestation variable of (g)X that cooperates with breeding potential of (b)Y...

I could go on, but since this is not an attempt at a full research paper, I think my point in this respect is clear, that the potential for variation in reproductive method is huge.

The question I ask myself is just how important is this to humans?

Look at the basic survival methods of the sexes, X and Y; we eat the same foods, breath the same air, and our physiology is the same for these purposes. The only difference between X and Y is due to the nature of sexual reproduction.

I think that it is of such importance, and so basic, that when examining human culture and society it should be one of the main focal points, of any line of examination.

Comment author: wedrifid 16 August 2010 07:55:51AM 0 points [-]

What you wrote about X and Y seems true enough. I haven't followed the context so didn't engage.