Perplexed comments on The Importance of Self-Doubt - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 20 August 2010 05:03:09AM 9 points [-]

Success is not assured. I'm not sure what's meant by confessing to being "ambitious". Is it like being "optimistic"? I suppose there are people who can say "I'm being optimistic" without being aware that they are instantiating Moore's Paradox but I am not one of them.

I also disclaim that I do not believe myself to be the protagonist, because the world is not a story, and does not have a plot.

Comment author: Perplexed 20 August 2010 05:14:49AM 1 point [-]

I hope that the double negative in the last sentence was an error.

I introduced the term "protagonist", because at that point we were discussing a hypothetical person who was being judged regarding his belief in a set of three propositions. Everyone recognized, of course, who that hypothetical person represented, but the actual person had not yet stipulated his belief in that set of propositions.

Comment author: wedrifid 20 August 2010 10:57:37AM 2 points [-]

I hope that the double negative in the last sentence was an error.

Interesting. I don't claim great grammatical expertise but my reading puts the last question at reasonable. Am I correct in inferring that you do not believe Eliezer's usage of "I also disclaim" to mean "I include the following disclaimer: " is valid?

Regarding 'protagonist' there is some context for the kind of point Eliezer likes to make about protagonist/story thinking in his Harry Potter fanfic. I don't believe he has expressed the concept coherently as a post yet. (I don't see where you introduced the 'protagonist' word so don't know whether Eliezer read you right. I'm just throwing some background in.)

Comment author: Perplexed 20 August 2010 07:01:47PM 3 points [-]

Regarding "disclaim".

I read "disclaim" as a synonym for "deny". I didn't even consider your interpretation, but upon consideration, I think I prefer it.

My mistake (again!). :(

Comment author: Vaniver 28 November 2010 08:02:09PM *  1 point [-]

Am I correct in inferring that you do not believe Eliezer's usage of "I also disclaim" to mean "I include the following disclaimer: " is valid?

This question is best solved by a dictionary. "I disclaim that I am a blegg" means that I am not a blegg; "Disclaimer: I am a blegg" means that I am a blegg. The use of disclaimer in the second statement is describing the following statement: "I am making a claim that denies something: I am a blegg."

Take home message: Eliezer's double negative means his post has the opposite effect of what I hope he intended.