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Comment author: DanielVarga 20 August 2010 05:38:30AM 2 points [-]

Everyone is allowed to believe they're saving the world. It is two other things, both quite obvious. First, we do not say it out loud if we don't want to appear kooky. Second, if someone really believes that he is literally saving the world, then he can be sure that he has a minor personality disorder [1], regardless of whether he will eventually save the world or not. Most great scientists are eccentric, so this is not a big deal, if you manage to incorporate it into your probability estimates while doing your job. I mean, this bias obviously affects your validity estimate for each and every argument you hear against hard AI takeoff. (I don't think your debaters so far did a good job bringing up such counterarguments, but that's beside the point.)

[1] by the way, in this case (in your case) grandiosity is the correct term, not delusions of grandeur.

Comment author: ciphergoth 20 August 2010 05:58:03AM 6 points [-]

if someone really believes that he is literally saving the world, then he can be sure that he has a minor personality disorder, regardless of whether he will eventually save the world or not.

Stanislav Petrov had this disorder? In thinking he was making the world a safer place, Gorbachev had this disorder? It seems a stretch to me to diagnose a personality disorder based on an accurate view of the world.

Comment author: DanielVarga 20 August 2010 06:55:02AM *  3 points [-]

Gorbachev was leading an actual superpower, so his case is not very relevant in a psychological analysis of grandiosity. At the time of the famous incident, Petrov was too busy to think about his status as a world-savior. And it is not very relevant here what he believed after saving the world.

It seems a stretch to me to diagnose a personality disorder based on an accurate view of the world.

I didn't mean to talk about an accurate view of the world. I meant to talk about a disputed belief about a future outcome. I am not interested in the few minutes while Petrov may had the accurate view that he is currently saving the world.