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Comment author: CarlShulman 20 August 2010 05:16:31PM * 9 points [-]

Do otherwise and YOU and YOUR LOVED ONES will suffer ETERNAL OBLIVION.

This one isn't right, and is a big difference between religion and threats like extinction-level asteroids or AI disasters: one can free-ride if that's one's practice in collective action problems.

Also: Rapture of the Nerds, Not

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Comment author: ArisKatsaris 15 May 2011 09:04:48AM 0 points [-]

People need to stop being coy. If you know a difference, just spit it out, don't force people to jump through meaningless hoops like "count the words in the first sentence".

Downvoted for wasting people's time with coyness because of a false belief caused by a cache issue.

Comment author: AdeleneDawner 14 May 2011 08:22:46PM * -2 points [-]

Uh, no it doesn't, and in fact this appears to be an actual lie (EDIT: Nope, cache issue) rather than the RotN page being changed since you checked it.

Comment author: timtyler 14 May 2011 08:33:13PM * 1 point [-]

Before you start flinging accusations around, perhaps check, reconsider - or get a second opinion?

To clarify, for me, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture_of_the_Nerds still gives me:

Technological singularity

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(Redirected from Rapture of the Nerds)

Comment author: Morendil 14 May 2011 08:51:00PM 1 point [-]

Maybe Adelene meant that "now" is an untruth, in that it implies a change occurring between the timestamp of the comment you reply to and the reply itself. A truthful observation would "RotN has always redirected to a page that, etc."

Comment author: timtyler 14 May 2011 08:56:41PM * 0 points [-]

The implication that you refer to is based on a simple misunderstanding of my comment - and does not represent a "lie" on my part.

Comment author: AdeleneDawner 14 May 2011 09:04:01PM -2 points [-]

Harumpf.

Comment author: timtyler 14 May 2011 09:08:28PM * 1 point [-]

Harumpf.

Adelene, you are still being very discourteous!

I recommend that you calm down, try to be polite - and go a bit easier in the future on the baseless accusations and recriminations.

Comment author: CuSithBell 14 May 2011 09:09:08PM 1 point [-]

Wait, did you really mean "no, the page has always redirected there" instead of "no, the page does not, in fact, redirect there"?

Comment author: AdeleneDawner 14 May 2011 09:22:26PM 2 points [-]

"A page that is extremely similar to X" implies "a page that is not X", assuming normal use of the English language. The rapture of the nerds page has always led to the technological singularity page, and the technological singularity page is not a page that is not the technological singularity page.

Reading the relevant comment with the strictest possible definitions of all the terms, it's technically correct, but the way that the comment is structured implies an interpretation other than the one that is true, and it could easily have been structured in a way that wouldn't imply such an interpretation.

Comment author: CuSithBell 14 May 2011 09:26:48PM 1 point [-]

Huh. Put like that, I guess I understand now, but it seems as though your refutation could also have been more clear on that point. Thanks for the disentangling!

Comment author: timtyler 15 May 2011 06:55:21AM * 0 points [-]

The pages are subtly different - in the way I described in detail in my original comment. Count the words in the first sentence - the one starting: "A technological singularity is..." to see the difference.

My guess is that a Wikipedia "redirect" allows for a prefix header to be prepended, which would explain the difference.

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Comment author: [deleted] 14 May 2011 10:04:26PM 1 point [-]

Since it redirects, the relevant history page is the technological singularity history page. Namely, this one. And there was indeed a recent change to the first sentence. See for example this comparison.

Comment author: CuSithBell 14 May 2011 08:44:03PM 0 points [-]

I'm seeing the redirect on the non-secure version.

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