pjeby comments on Morality as Parfitian-filtered Decision Theory? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: pjeby 31 August 2010 10:36:37PM 0 points [-]

Sure - but whay you claimed was a "spherical cow" was "ordinal utilities" which is a totally different concept.

It was you who brought the revealed preferences into it, in order to claim that humans were close enough to spherical cows. I merely pointed out that revealed preferences in even their weakest form are just another spherical cow, and thus don't constitute evidence for the usefulness of ordinal utility.

Comment author: timtyler 31 August 2010 10:45:07PM 0 points [-]

That's treating the "Weak Axiom of Revealed Preference" as the "weakest form" of revealed preference. However, that is not something that I consider to be correct.

The idea I introduced revealed preference to support was that humans act like a single agent in at least one important sense - namely that they have a single brain and a single body.

Comment author: pjeby 31 August 2010 10:49:14PM 1 point [-]

The idea I introduced revealed preference to support was that humans act like a single agent in at least one important sense - namely that they have a single brain and a single body.

Single brain and body doesn't mean anything when that brain is riddled with sometimes-conflicting goals... which is precisely what refutes WARP.

(See also Ainslie's notion of "picoeconomics", i.e. modeling individual humans as a collection of competing agents -- which is closely related to the tolerance model I've been giving examples of in this thread.)

Comment author: Perplexed 31 August 2010 11:27:05PM 1 point [-]

(See also Ainslie's notion of "picoeconomics", i.e. modeling individual humans as a collection of competing agents ...

That sounds interesting. Is there anything serious about it available online? Every paper I could find was behind a paywall.

Comment author: arundelo 01 September 2010 01:31:06AM 2 points [-]
Comment author: Perplexed 01 September 2010 04:36:26AM 1 point [-]

Muchas gracias.

Comment author: timtyler 31 August 2010 11:02:01PM *  0 points [-]

Competing sub-goals are fine. Deep Blue wanted to promote its pawn as well as protect its king - and those aims conflict. Such conflicts don't stop utilities being assigned and moves from being made. You only have one body - and it is going to do something.

Comment author: pjeby 01 September 2010 03:10:04AM 0 points [-]

Then why did you even bring this up in the first place?

Comment author: SilasBarta 01 September 2010 03:12:54AM -2 points [-]

Probably for the same reason you threadjacked to talk about PCT ;-)