djcb comments on Rationality Lessons in the Game of Go - Less Wrong

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Comment author: XiXiDu 21 August 2010 04:08:42PM 1 point [-]

Awesome, I've voted it up simply for bringing this subject to LW. I've always wanted to learn about Go. I've already got a book, but what I'm missing is someone/thing I can play with. I know computers are no good at Go yet, but I wonder if there are programs for beginners to play against before bothering humans with their lack of sophistication? I'll have to check out the link provided in the OP. Thank you.

Comment author: djcb 21 August 2010 06:34:57PM *  4 points [-]

Did you try GNU Go? That should be hard enough for most beginners.

Side-note, Wikipedia has a nice article on computer-Go; it's gotten a lot better, but still... with all the discussions on AGI on LW, it's sobering to see how difficult even a constrained well-understood domain like Go can be dealt with using today's methods.

Comment author: Christian_Szegedy 25 August 2010 12:04:48AM 2 points [-]

Did you try GNU Go? That should be hard enough for most beginners.

The problem with GNUgo is that it teaches a style that would not be effective in beating humans. Generally, you have to build up moderately difficult situations, where you have a deep sequence of forcing moves. These kind of deep but simple to prune trees are very easily read by humans, but GNUgo sucks at them, especially if they are on the interaction boundary of bigger fights.

Still it can be valuable learning tool, but one will learn a different skill set to playing with humans.

Comment author: Alex_Altair 22 August 2010 01:29:40AM 1 point [-]

with all the discussions on AGI on LW, it's sobering to see how difficult even a constrained well-understood domain like Go can be dealt with using today's methods.

That's because, as Minsky said, no one has tried to make a general intelligence first, and then teach it Go.

Comment author: taw 21 August 2010 06:55:06PM 0 points [-]

with all the discussions on AGI on LW

Computer go uses more interesting methods than computer chess, but they're very obviously not generalizable to any AGI.