Perplexed comments on Rationality Lessons in the Game of Go - Less Wrong

40 Post author: GreenRoot 21 August 2010 02:33PM

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Comment author: Perplexed 21 August 2010 03:33:38PM 3 points [-]

The position in Figure 3 looks alive to me. One eye in the center, and miai for eyes at the two points diagonally below.

Comment author: GreenRoot 21 August 2010 08:27:46PM *  0 points [-]

Thanks for the feedback. You're right: for players with more than beginning skill, I agree that Fig 3 is alive (and Peter de Blanc is right that Fig 2 is not "unconditionally alive") in the original versions of the figures. I've revised Figures 2 and 3 accordingly. (So the rest of you shouldn't worry if this comment thread seems confusing! If you're interested, the original versions are here and here.)

In choosing examples, I was aiming for arrangements that visually conveyed the three states of close surrounding, surrounding with internal structure, and something intermediate. The goal is to be able to talk about "life" and "death" as alternative states the game might be in, like alternative hypotheses of reality, to serve the go/rationality analogy, without having to explain the rules. I hope the revised versions still do this, while making their labels more correct.

Comment author: Perplexed 21 August 2010 10:22:21PM 2 points [-]

White is still alive in the modified figure 3. Sorry. One full eye and two half eyes.

Comment author: GreenRoot 22 August 2010 04:03:37AM 0 points [-]

Again, thank you. I've made another fix. As you can see, life and death problems are not my strength!

Comment author: TobyBartels 22 August 2010 12:30:01AM 0 points [-]

I agree. But on the other hand I wouldn't worry about it too much. You get the point across to newbies, and veterans already know what you're talking about without the pictures. The only real danger is somebody who has read the rules but has never played games. (But since you linked to a site with the rules, maybe that is a danger after all!)

Comment author: gerg 22 August 2010 02:51:44AM 0 points [-]

Don't worry: I don't know the rules of Go; I went to the site linked; and I could only find a link to a link to a video tutorial, not a list of rules, so I stopped trying.

Comment author: TobyBartels 22 August 2010 03:10:27AM *  1 point [-]

Well, that's a shame.

Read these or these if you're interested, but only after reading the OP, of course!