Mitchell_Porter comments on Consciousness of simulations & uploads: a reductio - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Mitchell_Porter 23 August 2010 11:32:53AM 0 points [-]

I think a 'thoroughgoing functionalist' wants to go further, and say that a person's mental state is somehow constituted by (or reduces to) the functional state of their brain.

Then it's time to return to the rest of your comment - the whole discussion so far has just been about that one claim, that something can be neither conscious nor not-conscious. So now I'll quote myself:

The property dualism I'm talking about occurs when basic sensory qualities like color are identified with such computational properties. Either you end up saying "seeing the color is how it feels" - and "feeling" is the extra, dual property - or you say there's no "feeling" at all - which is denial that consciousness exists. It would be better to be able to assert identity, but then the elements of a conscious experience can't really be coarse-grained states of neuronal ensembles, etc - that would restore the dualism.

Comment author: torekp 24 August 2010 12:57:53AM 0 points [-]

It would be better to be able to assert identity, but then the elements of a conscious experience can't really be coarse-grained states of neuronal ensembles, etc - that would restore the dualism.

By "coarse-grained states" do you mean that, say, "pain" stands to the many particular neuronal ensembles that could embody pain, in something like the way "human being" stands to all the actual individual human beings? How would that restore a dualism, and what kind of dualism is that?