daedalus2u comments on Minimum computation and data requirements for consciousness. - Less Wrong

-13 Post author: daedalus2u 23 August 2010 11:53PM

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Comment author: daedalus2u 24 August 2010 12:49:03PM 0 points [-]

With all due respect to Lord Kelvin, he personally knew of heavier than air flying machines. We now call them birds. He called them birds too.

Comment author: Perplexed 24 August 2010 12:54:21PM 8 points [-]

I'm not sure he realized they were machines, though.

Comment author: daedalus2u 24 August 2010 01:27:54PM 0 points [-]

Yes, and some people today don't realize that the brain does computations on sensory input in order to accomplish pattern recognition, and without that computation there is no pattern recognition and no perception. Of anything.

Comment author: Perplexed 24 August 2010 02:13:12PM 12 points [-]

I confess, I am lost. It seems we are in an arguments as soldiers situation in which everyone is shooting at everyone else. To recap:

  • You said "we can never “know for sure” that an entity is actually experiencing consciousness". (Incidentally, I agree.)
  • Cousin_it criticised, comparing you to Kelvin.
  • You responded, pointing out that the Kelvin quote is odd, given what we suspect Kelvin knew (Why did you do this?)
  • I suggest the Kelvin quote was maybe not so odd, given his misconceptions (Why did I do this???)
  • You point out that people today (what people?) have misconceptions as severe as Kelvin's.

This is either a rhetorical master stroke, or just random lashing out. I can't tell. I am completely lost. WTF is going on?