Zetetic comments on Minimum computation and data requirements for consciousness. - Less Wrong

-13 Post author: daedalus2u 23 August 2010 11:53PM

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Comment author: daedalus2u 24 August 2010 06:15:06PM 1 point [-]

To be a car; a machine at a minimum must have wheels. Wheels are not sufficient to make a machine into a car.

To be conscious, an entity must be self-aware of self-consciousness. To be self-aware of self-consciousness an entity must have a "self-consciousness-detector" A self-consciousness-detector requires data and computation resources to do the pattern recognition necessary to detect self-consciousness.

What else consciousness requires I don't know, but I know it must require detection of self-consciousness.

Comment author: Zetetic 24 August 2010 09:14:15PM 0 points [-]

That seems like a very confusing way of saying this. You aren't 'self aware of self consciousness', self consciousness is, as far as I can tell in this context, equivalent to self awareness. The phrase totally redundant. The only meaningful reduction I can make out here is that you think to be conscious a person has to be self aware.

I think it's probably a mistake to propose a "self consciousness detector". What is really going on? You can focus on previously made patterns of thought and actions and ask questions about them for future reference. Why did I do this? Why did I think that? You are noticing a very complex internal process and in doing so applying another complex internal process to the memory of that process in order to gather useful or attractive (I am ignorant of the physical processes that dictate when and about what we think about during metacognition) information.