Hariant comments on Cryonics Questions - Less Wrong
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Some of these questions, like the one about running away from a fire, ignore the role of irrational motivation.
People, when confronted with an immediate threat to their lives, gain a strong desire to protect themselves. This has nothing to do with a rational evaluation of whether or not death is better than life. Even people who genuinely want to commit suicide have this problem, which is one reason so many of them try methods that are less effective but don't activate the self-defense system (like overdosing on pills instead of shooting themselves in the head). Perhaps even a suicidal person who'd entered the burning building because e planned to jump off the roof would still try to run out of the fire. So running away from a fire, or trying to stop a man threatening you with a sword, cannot be taken as proof of a genuine desire to live, only that any desire to die one might have is not as strong as one's self-protection instincts.
It is normal for people to have different motivations in different situations. When I see and smell pizza, I get a strong desire to eat the pizza; right now, not seeing or smelling pizza, I have no particular desire to eat pizza. The argument "If your life was in immediate danger, you would want it to be preserved; therefore, right now you should seek out ways to preserve your life in the future, whether you feel like it or not" is similar to the argument "If you were in front of a sizzling piece of pizza, you would want to eat it; therefore, right now you should seek out pizza and eat it, whether you feel like it or not".
Neither argument is inevitably wrong. But first you would have to prove that the urge comes from a reflectively stable value - something you "want to want", and not just from an impulse that you "want" but don't "want to want".
The empirical reason I haven't signed up for cryonics yet is that the idea of avoiding death doesn't have any immediate motivational impact on me, and the negatives of cryonics - weirdness, costs in time and money, negative affect of being trapped in a dystopia - do have motivational impact on me. I admit this is weird and not what I would have predicted about my motivations if I were considering them in the third person, but empirically, that's how things are.
I can use my willpower to overcome an irrational motivation or lack of motivation. But I only feel the need to do that in two cases. One, where I want to help other people (eg giving to charity even when I don't feel motivated to do so). And two, when I predict I will regret my decision later (eg I may overcome akrasia to do a difficult task now when I would prefer to procrastinate). The first reason doesn't really apply here, but the second is often brought out to support cryonics signup.
Many people who signal acceptance of death appear to genuinely go peacefully and happily - that is, even to the moment of dying they don't seem motivated to avoid death. If this is standard, then I can expect to go my entire life without regretting the choice not to sign up for cryonics at any moment. After I die, I will be dead, and not regretting anything. So I expect to go all of eternity without regretting a decision not to sign up for cryonics. This leaves me little reason to overcome my inherent dismotivation to get it.
Some have argued that, when I am dead, it will be a pity, because I would be having so much more fun if I were still alive, so I ought to be regretful even though I'm not physically capable of feeling the actual emotion. But this sounds too much like the arguments for a moral obligation to create all potential people, which lead to the Repugnant Conclusion and which I oppose in just about all other circumstances.
That's just what I've introspected as the empirical reasons I haven't signed up for cryonics. I'm still trying to decide if I should accept the argument. And I'm guessing that as I get older I might start feeling more motivation to cheat death, at which point I'd sign up. And there's a financial argument that if I'm going to sign up later, I might as well sign up now, though I haven't yet calculated the benefits.
But analogies to running away from a burning building shouldn't have anything to do with it.
[Bold added myself]
Is it accurate to say what I bolded? I know technically it's true, but only because there isn't any you to be doing the regretting. Death isn't so much a state [like how I used to picture sitting in the ground for eternity] as much as simple non-existence [which is much harder to grasp, at least for me] And if you have no real issues not existing at a future point, why do you attempt to prolong your existence now? I don't mean for this to be rude; I'm just curious as to why you would want to keep yourself around now if you're not willing to stay around as long as life is still enjoyable.
On a fair note, I have not signed up for cryonics, but that's mostly because I'm a college student with a lack of serious income.