wedrifid comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 3 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: wedrifid 30 August 2010 02:40:02PM *  2 points [-]

Not going to happen. I can be confident in this because the very nature of "kino escalation" is that it involves implied consent and implicit or explicit participation by the other party. Without this it is called 'molestation' or 'sexual assault'. I don't especially mind people writing fiction about me being sexually assaulted. For that matter I don't particularly care if people write fiction in which wedrifid is participating in homo-erotic kino escalation. I just don't identify the latter fictional character as 'me'.

Comment author: TobyBartels 01 September 2010 01:46:25AM 2 points [-]

I just don't identify the latter fictional character as 'me'.

But the former (the one being sexually assaulted) you do? and still don't mind it? Interesting …

Comment author: wedrifid 01 September 2010 04:38:53AM 3 points [-]

But the former (the one being sexually assaulted) you do? and still don't mind it? Interesting …

I should be clear that I consider it a fictional me, as distinct from a fictional some other guy. I can certainly understand why some people will be hurt or even traumatised by such things. I just don't see any reason why I must be. I could instead just be flattered that some girl is including me in her erotic fantasies. So it is a crazy girl and homo-erotic fantasies but there is still no harm that is done to me.

Everything that we choose to be care deeply about gives another vulnerability that can be exploited. Choosing to care about fiction that other people write about you seems silly to me - it is completely and utterly out of your control and is essentially a property of them and not you. Not having that vulnerability means that you are immune to torture simulators without even relying on any acausal decision theory.

Comment author: TobyBartels 01 September 2010 11:49:05PM *  4 points [-]

I should be clear that I consider it a fictional me, as distinct from a fictional some other guy.

OK, I undestand (I think). As long as the fictional person has the same character as you, then you can identify yourself with them, but if they have a different character (as they must have to engage in homo-erotic kino escalation) then you don't identify yourself with them. But either way, you don't mind that people write stories about them, since they're fictional.

Comment author: wedrifid 01 September 2010 11:54:18PM 2 points [-]

Got it!