MartinB comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 3 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: MartinB 30 August 2010 08:11:44PM 4 points [-]

Tradition.

I can imagine that sorting students into universities or groups on Meyer-Biggs indicators or learning types could lead to some good things.

Also it could be that the founders of Hogwarts wanted to make sure that their society is made up of 4 main character and culture lines, which all work well together in the end. When putting teams together for real world projects i enjoyed having all kinds of characters working on their respective area of interest.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 31 August 2010 04:04:20PM 2 points [-]

What does Slytherin contribute? The Slytherin attributes are negative-sum. Whatever positive value they have is negated by the presence of opposing Slytherins; and they generate huge negative externalities.

Comment author: thomblake 31 August 2010 04:26:15PM 13 points [-]

Surely you're overlooking Slytherin's positive qualities as defined by MoR. Slytherin are focused on manipulating people, concerned with power, and quite cunning. If you want to keep fooling the muggles, have good PR guys, and keep alive the dangerous, secret lore that other houses would consider too evil (so we can use it to fight aliens), you need Slytherin.

It's the only house that has consistently churned out people who actively work at defeating death!

Comment author: Leonhart 02 September 2010 02:16:11PM *  3 points [-]

JKR did, grudgingly, show us a positive-sum Slytherin, which is to say a pre-Riddle Slytherin; his name was Horace Slughorn. Warning; essays on that site are addictive, and they will make you hate Deathly Hallows even more than you already ought to.

Comment author: TobyBartels 01 September 2010 02:19:59AM 2 points [-]

I'm not sure that it's so much what Slytherin contributes as how best to deal with the Slythery people in society. Best to put them in school to keep an eye on them, then to put them in their own House to keep them from bothering the others. Even if you would prefer to be rid of them entirely (as Rowling, at least, might be), that's not possible.

Comment author: MartinB 31 August 2010 04:44:13PM 1 point [-]

JK mentioned how Slytherin is not just the house of evil people, but that each evil person came out of Slytherin. I do not remember what other positions Slytherins have in Canon but we can surely come up with reasons to have such a house. First it helps students to reach their full potential (at least in the theory that fiction is), second it provides a training ground to have people for the more dirty needs of society like leading in a war. Was there ever a mention which house Dumbledore went too? Third it provides society with some training for how to deal with evil people. If there are none left society gets overrun by an outside force. Fourth there is the value of not having the Slytherins poisoning other houses. Having a house of Bullies would be a nice add to the real world (till your research shows that a strong hierarchy forms in every social group.) Fifth it gives you someone to contrast yourself against. Sixth if Slytherins are more adventurous, prone to doing dangerous things that they are also the inventors of new things. A healthy society needs some innovators, some bureaucrats, some workers, some people to provide Emotional support, some teachers and so on. I remember reading some reasons for the House of Slytherin in Canon, but memory evades me.

Comment author: Alicorn 31 August 2010 05:28:26PM 11 points [-]

each evil person came out of Slytherin

Wormtail was Sorted into Gryffindor and turned out to be a bad dude. This seems to have more to do with Rowling's desire to have him plausibly be a Marauder, than anything related to any aspect of his revealed personality. She's very prone to that - the same rationale was likely behind making canon!Hermione a Gryffindor.

Comment author: Baughn 31 August 2010 05:25:28PM 3 points [-]

Dumbledore? Gryffindor, I'm afraid; it's mentioned by Hermione on the train ride of the first book. He seems like so much more of a Slytherin, doesn't he?

Comment author: ata 31 August 2010 04:48:17PM 3 points [-]

Was there ever a mention which house Dumbledore went too?

He was a Gryffindor, o' course, since that was the standard Hero House in canon.