JoshuaZ comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 3 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: JoshuaZ 06 September 2010 07:06:52PM 6 points [-]

Hmm? This seemed pretty obvious. It connects with what Hermione worried about her life being over. The point is that what happens next is that everyone knows she really likes HJPEV. Given the standard attitude of kids in that age range what happens next is likely going to be lots of silly mockery.

Comment author: Perplexed 06 September 2010 07:35:43PM 3 points [-]

Ok, that is somewhat reasonable. But ...

I would have thought that, even to children, Hermione's willingness to kiss Harry would be something like a willingness to apply CPR. It is something anyone would do for a fellow human, let alone a friend.

It is Harry's response to the kiss that provides evidence. Evidence of Harry's feelings for Hermione, rather than Hermione's feelings for Harry.

Comment author: AdeleneDawner 06 September 2010 07:57:24PM 7 points [-]

The standard narrative is that such things work through The Power Of True Love, so it's not at all surprising that the other kids will assume that that's what happened. Seen through that lens, the fact that Hermione tried it at all implies that she loves him (otherwise she wouldn't've expected it to work, and wouldn't've tried it, per the standard narrative, which to the best of my knowledge doesn't allow for people trying it just in case) and the fact that it did work implies that it's reciprocated.

We know better - in fact, Eliezer's account seems to imply that a kiss from anyone would have worked, as Harry doesn't seem particularly aware of who's kissing him; it's just that Hermione is the only one who knew that that particular thing would get a strong, automatic emotional reaction from him - but the other kids don't know that, and I don't expect them to be particularly open to alternative explanations, either.

Comment author: wedrifid 07 September 2010 02:11:22AM 6 points [-]

I don't get the impression that a kiss from anyone would have worked, not naming 'a person' was just building suspense! His instinctive reaction is then "I told you, no kissing!"

the fact that Hermione tried it at all implies that she loves him (otherwise she wouldn't've expected it to work

The relevant belief for Hermione to have as I see it is he loves her. Hermione knows enough about the way dementors and patronuses work to realise that his emotions are what matter. Whether she is feeling it too, so to speak, is irrelevant. Although of course we know she is. :)

Comment author: Unnamed 06 September 2010 09:03:53PM 10 points [-]

Maybe Hermione should've gotten Neville to do it.

It would've gotten rid of all the readers who were halfway out the door because of Sirius/Pettigrew.

Comment author: wedrifid 07 September 2010 02:03:09AM 9 points [-]

Maybe Hermione should've gotten Neville to do it.

No, give the quibbler something real to write about - fetch for Draco!