timtyler comments on Anthropomorphic AI and Sandboxed Virtual Universes - Less Wrong

-3 Post author: jacob_cannell 03 September 2010 07:02PM

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Comment author: timtyler 05 September 2010 12:45:03PM 0 points [-]

There is no reason why H. sap. could not grow to the size of a gorilla over the next few million years

Surely there is every reason - machine intelligence, nanotechnology, and the engineered future will mean that humans will be history.

Comment author: Perplexed 05 September 2010 01:49:26PM 1 point [-]

Surely there is every reason to expect technological civilization to collapse before any of those things come to fruition.

Projections of the future always disappoint and always surprise. During my childhood in the 1950s, I fully expected to see rocket belts and interplanetary travel within my lifetime. I didn't even imagine personal computers and laser surgery as an alternative to eyeglasses.

Fifty years before that, they imagined that folks today would have light-weight muscle-powered aircraft in their garages. Jules Verne predicted atomic submarines and time machines.

So, based on how miserable our facilities of prediction really are, the reasonable thing to do would be to assign finite probabilities to both cyborg humans and gorilla-sized humans. The future could go either way.

Comment author: jacob_cannell 05 September 2010 05:39:54PM 2 points [-]

Surely there is every reason to expect technological civilization to collapse before any of those things come to fruition.

Hmm. We came pretty close with nuclear weapons and two super-powers, and yet we are still here. The dangerous toys are going to get even more dangerous this century, but I don't see the rationale for assigning > 50% to Doom.

In regards to your expectations. You are still alive and we do have jetpacks today, we have traveled to numerous planets, we do have muscle powered gliders at least, and atomic submarines.

The only mistaken predictions were that humans were useful to send to other planets (they are not), and that time travel is tractable.

And ultimately just because some people make inaccurate predictions does not somehow invalidate prediction itself.

Comment author: timtyler 05 September 2010 02:09:09PM 0 points [-]

Well, of course I didn't mean to suggest p=0. I don't think the collapse of technological civilization is very likely, though - and would assign permanent setbacks a < 1% chance of happening.