patrissimo comments on Humans are not automatically strategic - Less Wrong

153 Post author: AnnaSalamon 08 September 2010 07:02AM

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Comment author: patrissimo 09 September 2010 06:55:22PM 109 points [-]

I'm disappointed at how few of these comments, particularly the highly-voted ones, are about proposed solutions, or at least proposed areas for research. My general concern about the LW community is that it seems much more interested in the fun of debating and analyzing biases, rather than the boring repetitive trial-and-error of correcting them.

Anna's post lays out a particular piece of poor performance which is of core strategic value to pretty much everyone - how to identify and achieve your goals - and which, according to me and many people and authors, can be greatly improved through study and practice. So I'm very frustrated by all the comments about the fact that we're just barely intelligent and debates about the intelligence of the general person. It's like if Eliezer posted about the potential for AI to kill us all and people debated how they would choose to kill us instead of how to stop it from happening.

Sorry, folks, but compared to the self-help/self-development community, Less Wrong is currently UTTERLY LOSING at self-improvement and life optimization. Go spend an hour reading Merlin Mann's site and you'll learn way more instrumental rationality than you do here. Or take a GTD class, or read a top-rated time-management book on Amazon.

Talking about biases is fun, working on them is hard. Do Less Wrongers want to have fun, or become super-powerful and take over (or at least save) the world? So far, as far as I can tell, LW is much worse than the Quantified Self & time/attention-management communities (Merlin Mann, Zen Habits, GTD) at practical self-improvement. Which is why I don't read it very often. When it becomes a rationality dojo instead of a club for people who like to geek out about biases, I'm in.

Comment author: DSimon 10 September 2010 08:48:25PM 1 point [-]

So now you have a highly-voted comment which contains no solutions to the problem but only a criticism of how many highly-voted comments here contain no solutions but only criticisms?

I'm not saying that pointing out that something is wrong without proposing an alternate solution is necessarily a bad idea. In fact, I think it can often be helpful, and I think the specific complaint your comment makes is a good one.

But, I also think that your statement isn't self-consistent. If you only value comments that propose solutions, then propose a solution!

Comment author: patrissimo 12 September 2010 04:16:48AM 6 points [-]

I implied solutions. Like, people who want to get more rational should go read self-help / life hacking books instead of LW. And, if LW wants to be more useful, it should become more like self-help & life hacking community - focused on practical changes one can make in one's own life, explicit exercises for increasing rationality, groups that work together in-person to provide feedback, monitor performance, provide social motivation, etc.