jimmy comments on Self-Improvement or Shiny Distraction: Why Less Wrong is anti-Instrumental Rationality - Less Wrong

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Comment author: jimmy 14 September 2010 10:52:27PM *  10 points [-]

Muscles are muscles, and you drain them by using them too- it's just that they come back stronger.

I think willpower is actually like this, but my only data for strengthening willpower is personal/anecdotal.

This seems to be similar to how people behave morally- there's the consistency effect that reinforces itself ("I am someone who gives to charity (clearly, since I gave to charity last week) so I'll give again"), but there's also the feeling that you've given enough so you become less charitable shortly afterwards (wasn't there a study that found that people coming straight from church tipped less?)

Comment author: JenniferRM 15 September 2010 04:31:31AM 4 points [-]

Yvain's Doing Your Good Deed For The Day included a related study that actually got through peer review and connected it to a pastor who wrote about how it helped him understand his flock better.

Also, this works for me as an example of the kind of thing that I think LW excels at: processing criticism into reparative impulses that might work, while keeping more factors in mind than a single person's criticism/action/outcome cycle is likely to handle well. I think its easy to think "I'm doing something bad, I must change!" and then you leap into something not so well considered and it still doesn't work so well. Having this sort of content in our "canon" probably helps avoid some of the dumber things we might otherwise have done in an attempt to self-improve.

Comment author: Jonathan_Graehl 14 September 2010 11:13:26PM *  3 points [-]

I don't wish to engage "willpower is X" metaphors any further.

Every experience I've had where I'm tempted to think "you sure have trained your willpower muscle lately" is also entirely explainable by altered self-image, consistency, and habit.

[charity is (habit-forming / refractory)]

Yes. You really have your work cut out if you want to show some sort of generalized morality or willpower training effect (as opposed to a task specific one).

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 15 September 2010 10:56:00AM 1 point [-]

I suspect that the strength of the rebound effect has a lot to do with the motivations for an action-- is a person supporting something they have an emotional attachment to, or are they fulfilling a virtue checklist?

Comment author: gwern 14 September 2010 11:38:04PM 0 points [-]

Somewhere on LW/OB, we have discussed a study or two specifically about strengthening willpower, said studies explicitly invoking the muscle analogy and IIRC one of the willpower tests being a grip fatigue one.