xamdam comments on Self-Improvement or Shiny Distraction: Why Less Wrong is anti-Instrumental Rationality - Less Wrong

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Comment author: xamdam 15 September 2010 12:55:35AM 1 point [-]

Upvoted, but I think you're both right. I'm surprised you only see one side, I am used to you having deeper psychological insights.

Comment author: pjeby 15 September 2010 01:25:46AM 0 points [-]

I'm surprised you only see one side

I don't disagree that LW can be a massively addictive waste of time, it's only the "work != fun" part of the article that I object to. (Of the bits I read, anyway.)

Comment author: xamdam 15 September 2010 03:51:23AM *  4 points [-]

I agree that "work" should highly correlate to fun, under normal circumstances. Still, there is a lot of drudgery on the way to accomplishing goals that needs to be overcome, and there are circumstances where fun might just not be appropriate.

OP gives one example:

You may experience flow states once your attention is focused where it should be, but unless you have the incredible and rare fortune to have what is shiny match up with what is useful, the act of starting and maintaining focus and improving your ability to do so will be hard work.

Others that come to mind:

  • Running your own business is fun, having to fire people is not.

  • Exercise is fun once you get into the rhythm, but I had to trick myself into the gym for the first couple of month.

  • Having kids can be fun, changing diapers is not

Some possibly rational actions cannot ever be fun

  • Killing people is not fun, unless you have psychopathic tendencies

If all you mean is that the post overemphasized the necessity of occasional pain, I agree, and upvoted thusly

Comment author: patrissimo 15 September 2010 05:52:33AM 2 points [-]

The claim was "work != letting your attention drift to wherever it wants to go".

Once you have disciplined yourself to direct your attention, it can be fun to execute a task, sure. But I am very skeptical that very many jobs consist of letting your attention drift to whatever is most shiny, with no effort to direct it. Even in those jobs, I suspect the workers would be more effective were they occasionally to direct their attention to what is most useful rather than most shiny.

Comment author: wedrifid 15 September 2010 02:17:21AM 0 points [-]

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