Konkvistador comments on Intellectual Hipsters and Meta-Contrarianism - Less Wrong

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Comment author: [deleted] 30 November 2011 09:52:24PM *  1 point [-]

I think I agree with this.

I think more honesty on both sides (and you've made a good start) will help.

We are already supposed to be honest here most of the time. I think something needs to be changed to facilitate such a debate, if we wish to have it.

I just think that while there are hopeful signs that we will chew through this with our usual set of tools and norms, but those hopeful signs have been around for years, and the situation dosen't seem to be improving.

Honestly I think our only hope of addressing this is having a farm more robust debating style, far more limited in scope than we are used to since tangents often peter out without follow up or any kind of synthesis or even a clear idea of what is and what isn't agreed upon in these debates.

Comment author: lessdazed 30 November 2011 11:47:21PM 0 points [-]

the situation dosen't seem to be improving.

What exactly do you mean? If the situation is getting no worse, notice the population is expanding.

Comment author: [deleted] 01 December 2011 08:03:10AM *  3 points [-]

What exactly do you mean?

It is not improving.

If the situation is getting no worse,

This is up for debate. Vladimir_M and others have argued that precisely the fact that blow ups are rarer means more uninterrupted happy death spirals are occurring and we are in the processes of evaporative cooling of group beliefs on the subject.

I think they are right.

notice the population is expanding.

LessWrong actually needs either better standards of rationality or better mechanisms to sort through the ever growing number of responses as it grows in order to keep the signal to noise ratio close to something worth our time. Also I'm confused as to why a larger population of LWers, would translate into this being something LWers can more easily make progress on.