Peter_de_Blanc comments on On Juvenile Fiction - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Peter_de_Blanc 17 March 2009 12:35:23PM 11 points [-]

The universe punishes you for using the wrong ritual of cognition, but not in the same way. In real life, it goes like:

Wrong ritual of cognition --> false belief --> bad decision --> bad outcome

In the Phantom tollbooth:

Wrong ritual of cognition --> ejected from car

This bothers me, because I don't want to teach people that certain modes of thinking are Good or Bad for intrinsic reasons, but rather for their instrumental value in making decisions.

Comment author: Annoyance 17 March 2009 07:27:49PM 11 points [-]

It's being used as a teaching device to signal that there might be something wrong with that cognitive process.

If a child insists that leaping to conclusions is wrong because of The Phantom Tollbooth, then I'd agree that something is wrong. But it's a metaphor for the reality (it's harder to get out of a conclusion than to reach it, and jumping to it tends to retard your progress and keep you from your goals).

Metaphors are dangerous but incredibly valuable.

Comment author: PrometheanFaun 18 August 2013 06:33:59AM 1 point [-]

Metaphors are [...] incredibly valuable.

Prove it. I really doubt that. I think they're a highly ineffective teaching device relative to clean demonstrative thought-experiment parables. Analogies might be useful as scaffolding or a spec for learners to build to, but metaphors take it to a level of obfuscation that makes successful integration of the underlying principles of any given metaphorical package unlikely to ever occur.

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 17 March 2009 05:20:37PM 10 points [-]

But there's something about being whisked off to the Island of Conclusions that might fix the idea in your mind.

Of course, this reflects the observation that both Hanson and I make of fiction - that it amounts to trusting the author to pick the right things to emphasize. But The Phantom Tollbooth did. And c'mon, these are children's books we're talking about.