Eliezer_Yudkowsky comments on On Juvenile Fiction - Less Wrong

24 Post author: MBlume 17 March 2009 08:53AM

You are viewing a comment permalink. View the original post to see all comments and the full post content.

Comments (113)

You are viewing a single comment's thread. Show more comments above.

Comment author: Peter_de_Blanc 17 March 2009 12:35:23PM 11 points [-]

The universe punishes you for using the wrong ritual of cognition, but not in the same way. In real life, it goes like:

Wrong ritual of cognition --> false belief --> bad decision --> bad outcome

In the Phantom tollbooth:

Wrong ritual of cognition --> ejected from car

This bothers me, because I don't want to teach people that certain modes of thinking are Good or Bad for intrinsic reasons, but rather for their instrumental value in making decisions.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 17 March 2009 05:20:37PM 10 points [-]

But there's something about being whisked off to the Island of Conclusions that might fix the idea in your mind.

Of course, this reflects the observation that both Hanson and I make of fiction - that it amounts to trusting the author to pick the right things to emphasize. But The Phantom Tollbooth did. And c'mon, these are children's books we're talking about.