SilasBarta comments on Intelligence Amplification Open Thread - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Yvain 15 September 2010 02:23:39PM 8 points [-]

Next year I have to do a study as a school project. I will probably have access to about 10-20 test subjects, maybe more if I beg, and a lab with a full battery of professional-level cognitive tests. I'd like to study nootropic drugs and see how well they work, but the only one I'm really familiar with, piracetam, is by prescription only in Ireland, and I'm not likely to be able to prescribe it for this study.

So, nootropics experts, can you think of a drug or supplement that needs testing, that you think will return measurable results in a study of only 10-20 people, that works quickly (ie no "have to take this for a month before seeing effects", preferably <2 hr onset of action) and which is sold over-the-counter in Europe?

Comment author: SilasBarta 15 September 2010 05:53:52PM 4 points [-]

I've had really good success with 5HTP. It begins working in your desired time frame, and has consistently make me calmer, more focused, and more positive.

Piracetam and sulbutiamine didn't seem to do anything for me though.

Comment author: [deleted] 16 September 2010 09:50:21PM 5 points [-]

I'd be VERY careful with 5-HTP . Very careful indeed. I used it for a couple of years and it had some beneficial effects (increased sleep, decreased migraine, decreased depression, general cognitive improvement). But anything that affects your serotonergetic system can have nasty unpredictable effects. In my case, I upped my caffeine intake a lot, without realising that caffeine can have a synergetic effect with 5-HTP, and gave myself mild <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin_syndrome">serotonin syndrome</a>. NOT pleasant. In particular, if you take any kind of SSRI, don't touch 5-HTP with a bargepole...

Comment author: gwern 15 September 2010 07:33:36PM 2 points [-]

Coincidentally, I recently began trying l-tryptophan (which metabolizes into 5HTP). I think it helps sleep and may've helped motivation, but I'm not sure (coincided with a sleep schedule switch from day to night).

Comment author: Kevin 16 September 2010 05:03:55AM 1 point [-]

+1 for 5-HTP. I use it as a substitute for melatonin and think it is more broadly useful than melatonin.

Comment author: MrShaggy 16 September 2010 10:33:32PM 1 point [-]

More useful than melatonin for sleeping in particular?

Comment author: [deleted] 17 September 2010 12:14:53AM 1 point [-]

My own experience was that 5-HTP had a VERY noticeable effect on my sleep for the first week or two, after which point I built up a tolerance to it in that respect at least. I switched to melatonin after the problems I mentioned above, and that had a much less noticeable effect, but the effect didn't taper off at all as it did with 5-HTP...

Comment author: Kevin 16 September 2010 10:41:53PM 0 points [-]

It depends on the person; there are genetic factors involved with processing of these kinds of things. 5-HTP is a partial prodrug for melatonin and I don't think is generally less useful than melatonin for sleeping.