wedrifid comments on Intelligence Amplification Open Thread - Less Wrong

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Comment author: wedrifid 17 September 2010 04:18:51AM *  2 points [-]

(Didn't downvote and was rather surprised to see others did.)

Does the same reasoning apply to cancer treatment and antibiotics?

I concede the weakness of both those analogies.

Evolving novel structures is hard for evolution. Balancing existing ones is easy. Your chemicals aren't making novel structures, they're affecting the balance.

My evolutionary heritage does not share my goals and did not occur in western civilisation in the year 2010.

Look at any other part of the body. The parts are pretty well balanced. Your muscles are present in roughly the right quantities to drive limbs of a sensible size.

And this is a good analogy to where the point of contention lays. We need exercise. Optimal physical and mental performance requires large amounts of artificially induced exercise in things like gymnasiums. Evolution didn't share my goals and didn't optimise for my environment.

Personally I suspect evolution did a good job with that already.

Science says you are wrong. These are testable phenomena that have been tested.

Comment author: DuncanS 18 September 2010 09:40:27PM 1 point [-]

I agree with your sentence here - "Evolution didn't share my goals, and didn't optimise for my environment." We are going to be seriously suboptimal at living in cities.

There's also no shortage of articles about improved intelligence. For example.... http://scienceblogs.com/cortex/2009/10/smart_mice.php

Here's the problem. Most of these mutations are actually pretty easy mutations. They will occur naturally. The systems the mutations act on are also venerable - we share these systems with mice for the most part even though we haven't had a common ancestor in absolutely ages. The inescapable conclusion is that evolution has tried most if not all of these mutations already, and threw them out. Why would that happen when intelligence has such an advantage? We don't know - however I think we can consider it almost statistically inevitable that it must have happened on quite a few occasions.

All I'm saying is this - we don't know why evolution threw these things out. There must be a reason, and that reason may imply that it's not advisable for you or I to mimic the effect.

There is a flip side - maybe evolution really hasn't optimised this correctly - selectively speaking we're largely cavemen with a bit of farmer thrown in. Civilisation really hasn't been around long enough to make much difference.

So in summary - I think there is evidence to suggest that you'll be able to change your brain function to enhance measured intelligence by taking certain substances. I also think that nearly all of these changes will correspond to changes that evolution has tried and has rejected - for reasons as yet unknown. Your call.