JGWeissman comments on Compartmentalization in epistemic and instrumental rationality - Less Wrong

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Comment author: pjeby 17 September 2010 06:05:21PM *  6 points [-]

The key is simple: the downsides from de-compartmentalization stem from allowing a putative fact to overwrite other knowledge (e.g., letting one’s religious beliefs overwrite knowledge about how to successfully reason in biology, or letting a simplified ev. psych overwrite one's experiences of what dating behaviors work). So, the solution is to be really damn careful not to let new claims overwrite old data.

This is leaving out the danger that realistic assessments of your ability can be hazardous to your ability to actually perform. People who over-estimate their ability accomplish more than people who realistically estimate it, and Richard Wiseman's luck research shows that believing you're lucky will actually make it so.

I think instrumental rationalists should perhaps follow a modified Tarski litany, "If I live in a universe where believing X gets me Y, and I wish Y, then I wish to believe X". ;-)

Actually, more precisely: "If I live in a universe where anticipating X gets me Y, and I wish Y, then I wish to anticipate X, even if X will not really occur". I can far/symbolically "believe" that life is meaningless and I could be killed at any moment, but if I want to function in life, I'd darn well better not be emotionally anticipating that my life is meaningless now or that I'm actually about to be killed by random chance.

(Edit to add a practical example: a golfer envisions and attempts to anticipate every shot as if it were going to be a hole-in-one, even though most of them will not be... but in the process, achieves a better result than if s/he anticipated performing an average shot. Here, X is the perfect shot, and Y is the improved shot resulting from the visualization. The compartmentalization that must occur for this to work is that the "far" mind must not be allowed to break the golfer's concentration by pointing out that the envisioned shot is a lie, and that one should therefore not be feeling the associated feelings.)

Comment author: JGWeissman 17 September 2010 10:12:57PM 4 points [-]

a golfer envisions and attempts to anticipate every shot as if it were going to be a hole-in-one, even though most of them will not be... but in the process, achieves a better result than if s/he anticipated performing an average shot.

Suppose there is a lake between the tee and the hole, too big for the golfer to hit the ball all the way across. Should he envision/anticipate a hole in one, and waste his first stroke hitting the ball into the water, or should he acknowledge that this hole will take multiple strokes, and hit the ball around the lake?

Comment author: pjeby 18 September 2010 02:02:48AM 0 points [-]

Suppose there is a lake between the tee and the hole, too big for the golfer to hit the ball all the way across. Should he envision/anticipate a hole in one, and waste his first stroke hitting the ball into the water, or should he acknowledge that this hole will take multiple strokes, and hit the ball around the lake?

Whatever will produce the better result.

Remember that the instrumental litany I proposed is, "If believing X will get me Y and I wish Y, then I wish to believe X." If believing I'll get a hole in one won't get me a good golf score, and I want to get a good score, then I wouldn't want to believe it.

Comment author: wedrifid 18 September 2010 03:31:58AM *  0 points [-]

Suppose there is a lake between the tee and the hole, too big for the golfer to hit the ball all the way across. Should he envision/anticipate a hole in one, and waste his first stroke hitting the ball into the water, or should he acknowledge that this hole will take multiple strokes, and hit the ball around the lake?

Depends. Do you want to win or do you want to get the girl?