jimrandomh comments on Open Thread, September, 2010-- part 2 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: jimrandomh 21 September 2010 12:53:17AM 2 points [-]

Actually, though you may not believe me, Holocaust denialism hadn't even occurred to me.

It didn't occur to me either, and seemed strange. That word does have strong negative connotations in my mind, but only because I associate it with stupid people denying true things and refusing to update on evidence. I thought the comment that referred to was incorrect, but it seemed more like honest confusion of the sort that clarification would dispel than denialism.

Comment author: jacob_cannell 21 September 2010 01:11:37AM *  4 points [-]

Some history then of exactly why the word conjures strong negative correlations is in order.

Look at the wikipedia entry for "denialism". It originates with holocaust denialism, was then applied to skeptics of HIV==AIDS, and then later to other areas.

Peter Duesberg, the leading HIV==AIDS skeptic, is a German of non-Jewish descent raised in Nazi-era Germany, so it's use against him and his followers adds extra moral angst. It is just about the deepest insulting connotation one can use. It is a signal of stooping to the ultimate low, that, in running out of any remaining rational argument, one must invoke deep moral revulsion to stigmatize one's opponent.

In my view, the term is a serious Crime of Irrationality, it is an empty ad-hominem and should be seen as a sign of great failure when one stoops to using it as a name-calling tactic against one's opponents.

That being said, I don't think Perplexed has this view, and that wasn't his intention. I am just giving background on why the word should not be used here.

Those who don't subscribe to HIV==AIDS, should just be called skeptics.

Do we call proponents of quantum loop gravity String Theory Denialists? It's ridiculous.

Should we call those who subscribe to HIV==AIDS to be Inquisitors, Mcaurthy-ists, or Witch-hunters?

Comment author: kodos96 21 September 2010 03:28:00AM 0 points [-]

That being said, I don't think Perplexed has this view, and that wasn't his intention.

I do.