erratio comments on Open Thread, September, 2010-- part 2 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: komponisto 25 September 2010 01:11:54AM *  3 points [-]

Some very intelligent people also wear T-shirts instead of suits. Nevertheless, it would be preposterous to deny that wearing a suit is a meaningful status signal, or to claim that clothing is a "really poor indicator of status".

Signaling mechanisms aren't perfect, and yet they're still signaling mechanisms anyway.

Comment author: erratio 25 September 2010 01:29:20AM 1 point [-]

Spoken language is much more difficult to change on purpose than clothing is, so in my view it has much less value than clothing choices as a status indicator.

Comment author: komponisto 25 September 2010 01:33:09AM *  2 points [-]

In that case it should have more value as a status indicator -- harder to fake.

Comment author: erratio 25 September 2010 01:51:34AM 1 point [-]

I think my main disagreement with you here is in whether unconscious or conscious signalling has higher value as a method of determining actual status. I would argue that choosing to put on a suit is actually a better determinant of high status than an accent that indicates I grew up in Dumbistan, because status is something you obtain as opposed to something you either have or don't.

Comment author: Perplexed 25 September 2010 02:06:14AM 4 points [-]

I think that all talk of status flirts with the Mind Projection fallacy. Status is almost entirely in the eye of the beholder. A high status person is one who conforms to the ideals of the status-judge. So, you are both right as to what signals status, as long as you really mean "what signals status to me".