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Comment author: Will_Newsome 28 September 2010 02:01:02AM *  3 points [-]

Regina Spektor wrote a song about CEV called "The Calculation". She seems to agree with Shane Legg that it may well be impossible, but she appears to think there's hope. YouTube video here.

Excerpt:

You went into the kitchen cupboard
Got yourself another hour
And you gave
Half of it to me
We sat there looking at the faces
Of these strangers in the pages
'Til we knew 'em mathematically

They were in our minds
Until forever
But we didn't mind
We didn't know better

So we made our own computer out of macaroni pieces
And it did our thinking while we lived our lives
It counted up our feelings
And divided them up even
And it called that calculation perfect love

Didn't even know that love was bigger
Didn't even know
That love was so, so
Hey Hey Hey

Hey this fire it's burnin'
Burnin' us up

So I suppose she's critical of naive aggregation methods for preference fulfillment.

Comment author: ata 28 September 2010 04:44:40AM 3 points [-]

So we made our own computer out of macaroni pieces

So that's the secret of achieving true AI!

Comment author: Will_Newsome 28 September 2010 04:47:41AM *  4 points [-]

Analog computing via food. This is the dawn of the non-Bayes era!

And this is what I call the Lemon Glazing Fallacy, which generates an argument for a fully arbitrary New Idea in AI using the following template:

  • Major premise: All previous AI efforts failed to yield true intelligence.
  • Minor premise: All previous AIs were built without delicious lemon glazing.
  • Conclusion: If we build AIs with delicious lemon glazing, they will work.
Comment author: RobinZ 28 September 2010 02:12:19AM 1 point [-]

For anyone who didn't notice, Regina Spektor wrote a song about CEV called "The Calculation".

Do you have a citation for this claim, or are you asserting it as an alternative interpretation of the lyrics? Because, to make an analogy, you can tell me "Dear God" by XTC is a Christmas song but that doesn't make it true.

Comment author: Will_Newsome 28 September 2010 03:29:10AM 2 points [-]

Alternative interpretation, of course.

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