Pavitra comments on Melbourne Less Wrong Meetup - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Pavitra 08 March 2011 07:21:22AM 0 points [-]

You in particular I would be surprised to learn lacked social confidence.

I'm having a hard time thinking of an actual case where someone genuinely should avoid managing such an event and might actually try to manage one if encouraged too much and/or insufficiently discouraged. So I guess it comes down to the empirical question.

I just don't see the value in giving people excuses to be timid.

Comment author: wedrifid 08 March 2011 08:16:58AM *  2 points [-]

You in particular I would be surprised to learn lacked social confidence.

And if I convince everyone of that, including myself, then by practical definition I don't. And that is the greatest benefit of boldness. Boldness, done safely and with appropriate stress management measures in place, can change who you are for the better. It worked for me.

I'm having a hard time thinking of an actual case where someone genuinely should avoid managing such an event and might actually try to manage one if encouraged too much and/or insufficiently discouraged. So I guess it comes down to the empirical question.

The question I ask is whether there is an actual case where someone genuinely should avoid managing such an event and does not actually try to manage one if encouraged too much but is negatively impacted by ongoing messages that all people 'should' do things which they personally should not do. I don't want to make those individuals collateral damage of a censorship program for other folks who cannot function without denial and being mislead.

As well as empirical evaluation this position incorporates an ethical judgement with respect to whether a consequence of benefit to a majority justifies doing harm to a minority in this particular instance. That the intervention involves epistemic distortion does actually influence my evaluation here more than it would for some others. Willingness to make allowances for the non-typical also varies from person to person.

Comment author: Pavitra 08 March 2011 06:36:37PM 0 points [-]

Ah, I hadn't thought of that. I was imagining that it would be easy for shy people to ignore exhortations of boldness; in retrospect, I should have known better.

Comment author: wedrifid 08 March 2011 06:42:11PM 1 point [-]

I can't be sure, but my guess would have been that they would be more sensitive to such things. I associate 'shyness' with increased sensitivity to social stimulus.