Douglas_Knight comments on Less Wrong Should Confront Wrongness Wherever it Appears - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Relsqui 22 September 2010 12:52:49AM 3 points [-]

In my experience, and with very few honorable exceptions, economists are extremely difficult to reason with as soon as one starts questioning the logical and empirical soundness of some basic concepts in modern economics, or pointing out seemingly bizarre and illogical things found in the mainstream economic literature.

I'm sure this wasn't your intent, but this comes across to me like a situation where you've been having a high-level conversation about economics and then switch to asking the conomist to explain or justify the basic premises of the field to you. While the idea that you need to be convinced of the truth of the basics before productively discussing the complexities is sound, I'm less hasty to assume that the economists' refusal is due to a disregard for rationality. They just may be less interested in teaching you lower-level concepts of the field than they were in having the high-level conversation about it. If that were the case, the mismatch would be social, not rational.

I certainly don't know that the above is what actually happened, but it fits my model of human behavior better than your explanation does.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 22 September 2010 02:39:32AM 0 points [-]

having a high-level conversation about economics and then switch to asking the conomist to explain or justify the basic premises of the field to you

In the context of Vladimir's response to James, this seems like a pretty reasonable thing to do. That is, if an economist condemns lay writing, the economist should be prepared to argue that economic theory applies.

Comment author: Relsqui 22 September 2010 03:44:33AM *  1 point [-]

To argue that it applies, certainly. I agree with you on that. But I also wouldn't fault an economist for being unprepared to interrupt or uninterested in interrupting a high-level argument in order to lay the groundwork for the acceptance of that theory (which they presumably have spent some years learning and accepting themselves over the course of their education). One is a conversation about whatever particular situation was being discussed, and the other is a conversation about economics itself; it's reasonable to me that the economist in question could just have been rejecting the change in topic.

But as I commented just now to Vladimir, I was just being wary of a common error which has more to do with social communication than logic; in practice, it does not now appear that the error was committed.