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Comment author: Vladimir_M 23 September 2010 08:00:27PM *  14 points [-]

multifoliaterose:

What evidence do you have to support this claim?

To answer your question fully, I would have to expound my entire theory of the modern state, which would unfortunately require much more time and space than can be dedicated to a blog comment. So what I write will be very cursory, simplified, and incomplete.

The basic insight is that elected politicians are transitory and in constant danger of having their careers destroyed by bad PR, while the bureaucrats are entrenched like the rock of Gibraltar, constantly running circles around politicians and preventing them from doing anything that deviates significantly from the direction in which things are carried by the bureaucratic inertia. Politicians lack any means to dislodge the bureaucrats, who can in turn make their life miserable in many different ways. In case there's a direct conflict, the politician loses without exception. The only sensible strategy, which successful politicians inevitably follow, is to simply give up any thought of such conflict.

Of course, the bureaucrats won't mind if politicians do things that create more bureaucracy, but even in that case, the actual consequences of such measures are principally in the hands of bureaucrats, not politicians. Legislation is nowadays typically written in a long-winded and extremely vague style, leaving it up to the bureaucracy and to some extent the judiciary to shape it into actual policy.

This simple view omits the crucial roles played by the judiciary and by various other centers of non-elective power whose social, organizational, and financial structure effectively blends into the government even though they're theoretically not part of it, such as the mainstream media, academia, and various for-profit and non-profit nominally private institutions. However, these merely present additional limitations to the power and influence of elected politicians, and they typically operate in concert with the bureaucrats, giving them some of their crucial leverage against politicians. It also ignores some (mostly vestigial) limited ways in which politicians can sometimes exert direct control over things.

On the whole, this is an immensely complex and controversial topic. However, any plan for influencing things by electing politicians must recognize this state of affairs, or otherwise it completely loses touch with reality.

Comment author: mattnewport 23 September 2010 08:09:53PM *  4 points [-]

To answer your question fully, I would have to expound my entire theory of the modern state, which would unfortunately require much more time and space than can be dedicated to a blog comment.

If you ever do write this up, I'd be very interested to read it. Incidentally, your theory sounds quite similar to Yes Minister, incidentally also the source of one of my favourite quotes about politics:

"Politician's logic:
We must do something.
This is something.
Therefore we must do it."

Comment author: Vladimir_M 23 September 2010 08:26:51PM *  6 points [-]

mattnewport:

Incidentally, your theory sounds quite similar to Yes Minister.

Oh, yes! In full seriousness, while the plot and dialogue in that series are exaggerated for comic effect, it depicts the structure of modern governments with more essential accuracy than probably any academic work of political science.

There's a good reason for it. The series was vaguely based on the published diaries of Richard Crossman, who might be the only modern-age politician who published an unadorned day-to-day diary of his work instead of a customary auto-hagiography of the sort we usually get from politicians.

Here's the opening passage of his diaries (with the source of the legendary "Yes, Minister" title highlighted by me):

I was appointed Minister of Housing on Saturday, October 17th, 1964. Now it is only the 22nd... and already I realize the tremendous effort it requires not to be taken over by the Civil Service. My Minister's room is like a padded cell, and in certain ways I am like a person who is suddenly certified a lunatic and put safely into this great, vast room, cut off from real life and surrounded by male and female trained nurses and attendants. When I am in a good mood they occasionally allow an ordinary human being to come and visit me; but they make sure that I behave right, and that the other person behaves right; and they know how to handle me. Of course, they don't behave quite like nurses because the Civil Service is profoundly deferential - 'Yes, Minister! No, Minister! If you wish it, Minister!' and combined with this there is a constant preoccupation to ensure that the Minister does what is correct. The Private Secretary's job is to make sure that when the Minister comes into Whitehall he doesn't let the side or himself down and behaves in accordance with the requirements of the institution. It's also profoundly true that one has only to do absolutely nothing whatsoever in order to be floated forward on the stream...

Comment author: patrissimo 29 September 2010 05:36:11PM 1 point [-]

Wow, so it is accurate for the same reason as the The Wire (based on a study of reality), that's awesome.