wedrifid comments on Really Extreme Altruism - Less Wrong

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Comment author: rwallace 05 May 2011 02:02:32PM -1 points [-]

"This will do more harm than good" may not be accurate under examination, but I think it is accurate in reality.

What you're talking about is a flimsy elaborate plan that requires some people to do exactly what they are supposed to do and nobody else to seriously interfere. The probability of such a plan working first time is small enough to be ignored. Something will go wrong that you didn't think of.

In many contexts, that's not a showstopper: you wait until something does go wrong, then you fix it. But if step two of the plan was "you die", it's going to be a bit hard to fix what goes wrong in step three.

Comment author: wedrifid 05 May 2011 04:52:54PM *  7 points [-]

I disagree. Especially with the way 'flimsy', 'elaborate' and 'reality' are used (or misused) and the straightforward complications of will-execution raised as though this is some sort of special case.

I would consider an argument of the form "This is a f@$%@ing terrible idea because if you kill yourself you DIE" far more persuasive than anything that relied on technical difficulties. Flip. This is two years worth of preparation time. How long does it take to google "suicide look like accident"? The technical problem is utterly trivial. It is just one that you are better off not implementing. On account of life being better than death.

Comment author: rwallace 05 May 2011 06:51:47PM 1 point [-]

Well I agree with you that "if you kill yourself you die" is a sufficient and primary argument against the proposal. I was merely following the implied "what if somebody is in a suicidal mood and therefore not convinced by the primary argument, what arguments are there against the feasibility of the proposal on its own terms" of this subthread.