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Comment author: jimrandomh 01 October 2010 04:36:14AM 4 points [-]

I feel like you still haven't understood the main criticism of your posts. You have acknowledged every mistake except for having an incorrect conclusion. All the thousands of words you've written avoid confronting the main point, which is whether people should donate to SIAI. To answer this, we need four numbers:

  1. The marginal effect that donating a dollar to SIAI has on the probabilities of of friendly AI being developed, and of human extinction
  2. The utilities of friendly AI and of human extinction
  3. The utility of the marginal next-best use of money.

We don't need exact numbers, but we emphatically do need orders of magnitude. If you get the order magnitude of any one of 1-3 wrong, then your conclusion is shot. The problem is, estimating orders of magnitude is a hard skill; it can be learned, but it is not widespread. And if you don't have that skill, you cannot reason correctly about the topic.

So far, you have given exactly one order of magnitude estimate, and it was shot down as ridiculous by multiple qualified people. Since then, you have consistently refused to give any numbers whatsoever. The logical conclusion is that, like most people, you lack the order of magnitude estimation skill. And unfortunately, that means that you cannot speak credibly on questions where order of magnitude estimation is required.

Comment author: multifoliaterose 01 October 2010 05:13:35AM 12 points [-]

All the thousands of words you've written avoid confronting the main point, which is whether people should donate to SIAI.

I agree that my most recent post does not address the question of whether people should donate to SIAI.

So far, you have given exactly one order of magnitude estimate, and it was shot down as ridiculous by multiple qualified people. Since then, you have consistently refused to give any numbers whatsoever. The logical conclusion is that, like most people, you lack the order of magnitude estimation skill. And unfortunately, that means that you cannot speak credibly on questions where order of magnitude estimation is required.

There are many ways in which I could respond here, but I'm not sure how to respond because I'm not sure what your intent is. Is your goal to learn more from me, to teach me something new, to discredit me in the eyes of others, or something else?

Comment author: jimrandomh 01 October 2010 02:06:17PM 1 point [-]

Actually, my goal was to get you to give some numbers which to test whether you've really updated in response to criticism, or are just signalling that you have. I had threshold values in mind and associated interpretations. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to have worked (I put you on the defensive instead), so the test is inconclusive.