Eliezer_Yudkowsky comments on 3 Levels of Rationality Verification - Less Wrong

43 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 15 March 2009 05:19PM

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 15 March 2009 11:17:04PM 17 points [-]

You have my sympathy and my praise.

If anyone's unusually good at deconversions, there might be a market for deconversion attempts aimed at the friends and family of atheists.

Comment author: MBlume 16 March 2009 09:40:54AM *  36 points [-]

Thank you. You taught me (a large chunk of) everything I know, so that means a lot.

Honestly, thinking back, I suspect the best opportunity I ever had to deconvert her was when I myself did not yet identify as atheist -- when the crisis of faith was still in full swing. I'd have been perceived as sharing my doubts, rather than as "attacking" her with arguments.

Of course, back then I feared atheism -- I saw it as something terrible happening to me, that I should avoid doing to her. If I'd done a better job of leaving a line of retreat, I might have made better choices -- I might have shared each doubt as it occurred to me, instead of winding up 30 inferential steps removed from the woman I loved.

(And no, explaining that there is an inferential distance between you greater than is likely to be encountered in the ancestral environment really does not help in a fight)

I've been thinking lately of trying to write something addressed specifically to those beginning to question their religions. Life doesn't come with save points, but standing at the spot you went wrong, calling out advice to passers-by seems like the next best thing.

Comment author: DSimon 14 February 2013 02:58:46PM 3 points [-]

That last sentence is just ludicrously dense with both important advice and good tips for game design. It's excellent, is what I'm saying, and thanks for writing it. :-)

Comment author: MBlume 15 February 2013 02:00:08AM 0 points [-]

Thanks XD

Comment author: MartinB 21 September 2010 01:43:00AM 3 points [-]

Isn't there already one to get people out of not widely accepted cults? The market might explode once public perception changes.