haig comments on 3 Levels of Rationality Verification - Less Wrong

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Comment author: haig 16 March 2009 08:33:34PM 6 points [-]

There is a recent trend of 'serious games' which use video games to teach and train people in various capacities, including military, health care, management, as well as the traditional schooling. I see no reason why this couldn't be applied to rationality training.

I always liked adventure style games as a kid, such as King's Quest or Myst, and wondered why they aren't around any more. They seemed to be testing rationality in that you would need to guide the character through many interconnected puzzles while figuring out the model of the world and how best to achieve the goals of the protagonist. It seems like the perfect video game genre for both developing and testing rationality skills.

Specifically, I've thought of a microcosm of the real world, taking place in a different setting yet similar enough to our real world that there would be analogues to religion, science, politics, etc. As you progress through the game, say from child to adult, you learn about the world and see how different beliefs and strategies effect the game. Players would encounter similar challenges to the real world but be disconnected enough not to put up a defense mechanism, yet involved enough to care about the outcome. Add MMO et al features to taste.

Comment author: steven0461 17 March 2009 02:40:00PM *  2 points [-]

I always liked adventure style games as a kid, such as King's Quest or Myst, and wondered why they aren't around any more.

Google "interactive fiction".

Comment author: rysade 23 October 2010 11:09:37PM *  1 point [-]

I just finished playing a side-scrolling game called Closure (http://www.closuregame.com) that has some qualities of Myst, et al. I think that you've got a good idea here, but a problem could arise from the 'death penalty' that most games impose. Typically, you just restart the 'mission.' Games that operate like that don't provide quite enough incentive to pull out your whole intellect. If the player knew ahead of time that a single failure meant permanent loss, they would be more apt to give the game effort enough to have their rationality tested accurately.

Comment author: handoflixue 15 July 2011 07:37:52PM 0 points [-]

If the player knew ahead of time that a single failure meant permanent loss

That would be the RogueLike genre, of which NetHack is a pretty good example of "painful trial and error to learn how the world works". Most successful players just go online and read the spoilers, and I'd argue that this is the more rational approach - it's irrational to go out and pay the price of failure when someone else has already done that for you, and you can learn from them.

Besides, most people don't find that sort of trial and error game play fun, which I think is a fairly important consideration if you're trying to teach people.